Healer NPC Diversity

[DamianFatale]

How many healer npcs are Conjurers? How many are White Mages? How many are Astrologians? And how many are Scholars?

There seems to be a lack of healer diversity in the game, and Im curious as to how many of each type actually exist in the games story.

Throughout FF there has been a surprisingly low amount of healers, because of the usual single player format of one healer per party that players tend to use.

I feel like this is a problem that needs to be addressed in the new age of Final Fantasy, so I really am curious as to how common different healers are. Im not even sure Scholars actually exist in the games world aside from job quests. Astrologian I feel are becoming more and more common the closer we get to Sharlayan. Urianger also seems to use Astromancy in the Shadowbringers trailer.

I really hope the devs see this, and add more lore to the healers.

[Brightamethyst]

Almost all healer NPCs are conjurers simply because that's what there are most of in Eorzea. White mages are very rare and almost exclusively padjal. Scholars are nigh extinct, with the WoL and the occasional tonberry being the only modern practitioners. Sharlayan astrology never really caught on in the rest of Eorzea so there just aren't that many astrologians outside of Sharlayan. By default that leaves conjurer as the primary healing class in modern Eorzea.

[DamianFatale]

Almost all healer NPCs are conjurers simply because that's what there are most of in Eorzea. White mages are very rare and almost exclusively padjal. Scholars are nigh extinct, with the WoL and the occasional tonberry being the only modern practitioners. Sharlayan astrology never really caught on in the rest of Eorzea so there just aren't that many astrologians outside of Sharlayan. By default that leaves conjurer as the primary healing class in modern Eorzea.

Which is soooo lame. Obviously ASTs presence in Ishgard, and Sharlayan being an unreleased location means that they will likely have their time.

Scholar is just pitiful though. They should remain rare, but it would be cool if the quest line had a revival arc leading to more npcs.

Its so boring when every npc is a conjurer. Healing lore needs to be expanded.

[Bright-Flower]

Almost all healer NPCs are conjurers simply because that's what there are most of in Eorzea. White mages are very rare and almost exclusively padjal. Scholars are nigh extinct, with the WoL and the occasional tonberry being the only modern practitioners. Sharlayan astrology never really caught on in the rest of Eorzea so there just aren't that many astrologians outside of Sharlayan. By default that leaves conjurer as the primary healing class in modern Eorzea.

This. It's a side effect really of how some jobs are largely written to be so exclusive so you don't often see npcs that are tied to jobs directly outside of job storylines.

It seems to affect magic jobs more so than dow jobs. You see more thaumaturges than black mages, more arcanists than summoners, for the same reasons. Obviously there are some actual job npcs like Estinien, Yugiri, Gosetsu and Hien etc. I think Lyse is probably a pugilist rather than a monk but I'm not 100% on that.

Jobs tend to be pretty limited to the WOL and a handful of npcs for the most part. Though some more so than others. New monks are being trained in the Peaks, there's an order of dragoons and only the azure dragoon is limited to the WOL, the sultansworn are training free paladins but they wouldn't hand these out to just anyone I think.

Though this may be changing to a degree. We see Urangr as an astralogian, Thancred seems to swap from rogue to gunbreaker etc, so maybe we'll be seeing more ncps with jobs etc.

[JeanneOrnitier]

Though this may be changing to a degree. We see Urangr as an astralogian, Thancred seems to swap from rogue to gunbreaker etc, so maybe we'll be seeing more ncps with jobs etc.

I think they also called Y'shtola a BLM back in the February fanfest? Though that may just mean "suped up Thaumaturge" and she won't actually get a soul stone.

[Bright-Flower]

I think they also called Y'shtola a BLM back in the February fanfest? Though that may just mean "suped up Thaumaturge" and she won't actually get a soul stone.

There's also the theory that it may be Matoya in her body but we'll find out soon enough when 5.0 launches. With the ambiguity of the sutation there I decided to leave Ysthola out.

[ObsidianFire]

Job Availability is always based on lore and not overall job representation. There are technically four healer jobs/classes available: Conjurers, White Mages, Astrologians and Scholars. Out of those four, Conjurers are the vast majority simply because Conjurery has the least amount of requirements needed to learn it. For starters, a Soul Stone isn't needed and there aren't any unsurmountable cultural limitations on who should learn it. So most, if not all healers seen outside of specific job quests are Conjurers by default. That's just what most, if not all, Eorzeans think of when they think of a healing mage.

White Mages are the most restricted. In order to be a White Mage, you either need to be born a Padjali or have the one known White Mage Soul Stone in existence. On top of that, the Elementals have expressly forbidden the teaching of white magic to anyone who doesn't match those requirements.

Scholar is similarly limited, but for different reasons. Scholar's faeries live in the Scholar Soul Stone and so far we only know of two of those types of Soul Stones. One is yours. The other belongs to Surito Carito from the Lvl. 60 - 70 SCH quests. Provided more Scholar Soul Stones are found, there could eventually be more Scholars. In fact, that's the overarching plot of the Scholar quests. Alka Zolka wants to revive the job and is actively studying it.

Astrologin should have more practitioners then White Magery or Scholar does. However, all those practitioners would be in Sharlyan and Sharlyan is infamously xenophobic when it comes to spreading it's own magic arts around. In fact, the Lvl. 30 - 60 AST quests are all about how the Sharalyans who want to introduce Astromancy to Eorzea are being hunted by a group of Sharlayans who don't want their native magic arts getting out. So if there's anyone who should be see using Astromancy it would be someone with a tie to Sharlayan. Although, given how the Lvl. 60 AST quests ended, it might be possible that the Ishgardians start using it sooner rather then later. All that said, we shouldn't be running into very many people who know what Astromancy is, let alone are competent at it.

Healers are not the only role that works like this. We see many more Muraders and Gladiators then we do Warriors and Paladins. And we see more Warriors and Paladins then we see Dark Knights. Likewise, nearly all damage oriented mages are Thumaturges. We see more Ninjas then Rouges and more Lancers then Dragoons. Puglists are more common then Monks, Samaurai are only seen in the Far East, we never see Machinists anywhere but Ishgard, and we've yet to see a Bard outside of the Bard quests even though we've seen plenty of Archers.

For better or for worse, the FFXIV team has never cared about "equal job diversity". What they care much more about is "accurate job representation". Once they determine how rare or plentiful a job is according to the lore, they tend to stick with it. Which gives a better world-building experience overall.

[Joven]

How is this even remotely a problem?

[Iscah]

There are technically four healer jobs/classes available: Conjurers, White Mages, Astrologians and Scholars. Out of those four, Conjurers are the vast majority simply because Conjurery has the least amount of requirements needed to learn it. For starters, a Soul Stone isn't needed and there aren't any unsurmountable cultural limitations on who should learn it. So most, if not all healers seen outside of specific job quests are Conjurers by default. That's just what most, if not all, Eorzeans think of when they think of a healing mage.

Conjury would also have an advantage of being easily teachable, as it seems to be incantation-based (although dependent on the skill level of the caster). Quite possibly as long as you've mastered the basic ability of casting a spell on a target, and know the right words for the situation, anyone can do the magical equivalent of first aid.


There's also one extra (NPC) healing discipline that's being overlooked here: arcanist as a healer.

While both of their advanced jobs are exceedingly rare in lore, arcanists themselves are more common. It's a completely separate system of magic to conjury, being mathematical and symbol-based, and has its own approaches to achieving the same effects - ie. Physick instead of Cure.

For battle instances where there isn't a true healer available, arcanist is usually the second option - in MSQ, Urianger and Alphinaud have taken the role before, and in the WAR quests we have Broken Mountain who is maybe a scholar in the general sense, but not a Nymian battle-scholar with a fairy.


Astrologian is a bit of a mystery, because it's not clear how common it is in Sharlayan either. From the AST quests we know that the Sharlayan colony was more open to Eorzean visitors for a while, so it seems like people should have had some awareness of it, but perhaps it wasn't all that commonly studied either. I expect it's similar to arcanistry in that you need more of a mathematical brain to grasp the concepts and do situational calculations (or at least have a good memory of your star map, so you don't have to inspect it closely before casting each spell).

It definitely seems like it's spreading and becoming a more accepted discipline in Ishgard/Coerthas around Lv60 and into Stormblood.


Also of course we have Urianger "switching to" astrologian for Shadowbringers - though I'm fairly sure that as a Sharlayan mage with an interest in prophecies, he would have studied it already at this point, even if he doesn't use it as his primary class.

[Anselmet]

Aren't most jobs rare? At the top of my head there are only a handful of dragoons, there aren't that many red mages, paladins are more or less the elite guards for the sultana, dark knights are rare, machinists are just starting up in Ishgard, I don't remember bard being too popular in Gridania bc they don't believe in the power of song. I don't think its just a healer diversity problem but rather its supposed to be rare and above the class roles.