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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Second, You are equating the idea that just because you dont ahve access to something, that the situation being described doesnt exist. Let's think this through a second. IF a race was denied access to a class, but another race had access to that class, Your logic states that you ARENT being class locked by race because you have the opportunity to play that 'feature', you just have to play a different race. Where as most people would point out "What if I want to play x class on A race? Youre not letting me do that." Essentially, youre preventing certain combinations from occuring. In this case, the prevention occuring is Male of a race with all Classes. It's an inverse of that example.
    Nope, that is not my logic. The class in this case already exists, in the game. It's animations, build, etc are all available. But it's locked by a gender, hence why it's called genderlocked classes (and that's how the term has been used for a long time along with racelocked classes). But let's look at Viera now. You only have females, but the males don't have a model, or any thing available in game (except their mention in the lore). So by your logic you want to say that Viera are genderlocked because you don't have access to something that doesn't even exist in the game yet. By that logic I can say we're locked from Garlemald, sharlayan or any other location that we don't even know if we'll visit in the future and demand that lock to be lifted and no one should question me and say "but how can they remove the lock if they're not in the game yet?".

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Youre also defining features by class and mechanics, and not appearance. Female and Male variations are features. Just like glamour is. Just like dungeons. Just like Classes. Genderlocking by race removes a feature that is available to other races.
    I do include appearance in features. But do they exist in the game yet? Let me give you an example. Suppose in 5.x in one MSQ there was a male Viera NPC. In this case, the feature already exists and you're being locked from it by only being able to play as female Viera. But if the only thing we have is literally text on said race and nothing more, and you consider that enough to be called features that you're locked from, then that brings me back to my point of asking for the lock to be lifted from zones that we only know from text also.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    No one (well mostly no one) said the lore doesnt exist ....
    I might have messed up the lore on LOTR but thanks for pointing out that they don't look exactly like males. Upon reading further on their lore, it seems a lot similar to Viera in terms of how rare you see a female dwarf. According to Tolkien Gateway website "Dwarves wanted their women to be protected from other races and they usually kept them concealed inside their mountain halls. They seldom traveled in the outside world, only in great need, and when they did, they were dressed as men". And in the game you get to only play as male dwarves. Yet all I could find was just a single thread where the word genderlock was used for dwarves by OP and most responses were "females dress as males". So it turns out the term was not commonly used in that context as some say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Can you fan service a fan by limiting what you give them? Like that is a strange argument to make from a fan point
    Yes if what they're getting is at the cost of the actual product's development. Let's say a product includes (X, Y and Z) core components that you're paying for. The developer knew you're interested in a feature β and decided to give it partially to you in a way that minimizes their cost when delivering the product and to ensure that you get X, Y and Z components. In that case, it's natural to be thrilled and happy. But let's assume the developer gave you X and Y only along with β. The first thing that would happen is that you'd ask for component Z. And since it's a core component, it can drastically affect your product's performance. So no one in their right mind would be happy about losing a core component over a side feature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Since the argument about genderlocking being incorrect revolves around in game assets not existing, that means that same argument states we will never see male viera in game, so were not really expanding on Viera.
    Not really, they can still add them if they wanted. There is no need for the use of a term that can't be applied to this case to get the dev team to make them. What needs to be shown to them is demand in the form of likes to a certain thread regarding that topic or asking them to create a poll for that. The fact that we got female Viera is a fact that they're listening. I have no doubt that they will add these two genders later on. But we shouldn't try to force them to do it knowing that it can cost us actual content that we're paying for. One example that comes to mind from the misuse of such terms is one user here that made a thread demanding SE to announce that they're making male Viera as soon as possible. And even in multiple posts stated that they think that SE are going to work on male Viera now and release them in 5.0 or 5.1. At one point that same user said that SE shouldn't do any modification to character creation until they remove the gender lock. So as SendohJin said, they are now sounding entitled.
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