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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalbee View Post
    Context is key. Language is descriptive, not prescriptive. That's why one of the dictionary definitions of "literally" is literally the opposite of the primary definition, and this thread is literally going to make me shoot myself.
    Why would you shoot yourself over something so trivial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalbee View Post
    Context is key. Language is descriptive, not prescriptive. That's why one of the dictionary definitions of "literally" is literally the opposite of the primary definition, and this thread is literally going to make me shoot myself.
    I think the word you're looking for is figuratively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    I think the word you're looking for is figuratively.
    People kept using literally wrong, so much so that it gained the secondary definition, which is what he was talking about. Now literally sometimes has the same usage as figuratively, I think it's dumb, but it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    People kept using literally wrong, so much so that it gained the secondary definition, which is what he was talking about. Now literally sometimes has the same usage as figuratively, I think it's dumb, but it is what it is.
    Whoever came up with that definition was wrong. I don't think there is a single instance where you could replace the word "literally" with "figuratively" and have it make sense. I *figuratively* can't think of anything where it would actually have the same effect instead of just looking ridiculous, seeing as the word "literally" in these cases doesn't actually mean "figuratively", but is in fact used as an interjection meant to emphasise a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    But they aren't incomplete, we're getting exactly what they advertised and nothing less.
    That's debatable, given they were very coy about whether or not we'd be getting male Viera until a time where most people who preordered already used their bonus items and couldn't get a refund if they bought it directly from SE's store.
    I'm not saying those people had no blame in the matter and should've probably waited with preorders until after all information was out. That's an entirely different debate. But as far as what SE advertised they intentionally withheld information and fed on hype, misplaced or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritMuse View Post
    Whoever came up with that definition was wrong. I don't think there is a single instance where you could replace the word "literally" with "figuratively" and have it make sense.
    It's only being replaced in one direction and wasn't it Shakespeare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritMuse View Post
    Whoever came up with that definition was wrong. I don't think there is a single instance where you could replace the word "literally" with "figuratively" and have it make sense. I *figuratively* can't think of anything where it would actually have the same effect instead of just looking ridiculous, seeing as the word "literally" in these cases doesn't actually mean "figuratively", but is in fact used as an interjection meant to emphasise a point.
    It's certainly wrong, but unfortunately that that doesn't stop people from using it wrongly.

    It's not so much that they say "literally" where the word "figuratively" should be used in a sentence, but that they use it as an 'emphasis word' for something that isn't literal at all.

    eg. After a busy day at work, they might say "I had to deal with literally thousands of customers today", when actually it might have been a hundred or so.


    I remember one of my teachers used it (literally!) all the time, and it grated on my nerves so much. D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Why would you shoot yourself over something so trivial?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    I think the word you're looking for is figuratively.
    Like I said, context is key

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalbee View Post
    Like I said, context is key

    How does that dispute my question? Even if you had just said "reading this thread makes me want to shoot myself" without the need to over exaggerate by adding "literally" the question still remains "why would you shoot yourself over something so trivial?"
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    I'm definitely on the side of "genderlock" being a dumb term.

    I understand the argument that the term has been around forever, and it's not specific to FFXIV. That said, it's still a dumb term that I'd think the MMO community would have outgrown because -- in this case, anyway -- it's not accurate in a technical/functional sense.

    My other problem is I see comments/replies from people who seem confused by the term; like, they seem to believe these races exist and SE really has just "locked" us out from using them. This is problematic by fueling misplaced resentment toward SE. ("I don't get it! Why won't they remove the genderlocks?") *Yes, paraphrasing, but you get the idea.

    Perhaps it's time for gamer language to evolve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thayos View Post
    I understand the argument that the term has been around forever, and it's not specific to FFXIV. That said, it's still a dumb term that I'd think the MMO community would have outgrown because -- in this case, anyway -- it's not accurate in a technical/functional sense.
    The term was used in a different way in other MMOs. It was used to denote a class that is locked to one gender (e.g. sorceress class being only female in Black desert online). Since the class already exists in the game with all it's animation, play style etc, it was considered gender locked since it's can only be used by one gender. The key point here is the existence of said locked feature as a playable feature in the game.

    Take a look at Tera online. There are races with only one gender (Baraka, Elin and Popori). And the term gender lock is used there for classes that are locked certain genders (Brawler was female humans only). But no one was using the term to those races that only had one gender, since nothing exists in the game for the other genders to be considered locked from.

    Now when it comes to male Viera and female Hrothgar, there is no playable feature, models or anything for them inside the game as of now. So it can't be considered a locked feature. Male Viera are mentioned in the lore only and nothing more. The actual lock we have is the race lock in Garleans and Lupin (we've only seen one gender for Lupin too, but nobody cares it seems lol), since those already have their models, animations etc in the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    Genderlock has been a term in use for MMOs for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. Well before FFXIV.
    Can you provide an example of that term being used the way some are using it here in other MMOs?
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