More 8 man dungeons?

[Kalise]

4 man dungeons are tiresome and most people don't even want to bare redo roulettes after the daily reward is given so why not figure out different ways to appeal to the mass?

Why would 8 man dungeons be any different?

Like, the reason that 4 man dungeons are tiresome, is they have to be designed for the lowest common denominator. So that even horribad players with gear that is 20 levels lower than them and only using 1/3rd of their available skills can still get through them.

If they made 8 man dungeons... They'd be the same. Only with now longer queue times to boot (Since you'd be looking for 2x Tanks and 2x Healers). Unless they separated these dungeons away from things like the MSQ and made them side content. But at that point... They're just raids.

I could potentially see some more 8 man side content, such as 8 man variation on PotD/HoH style "Any comp goes" type thing, which would be an interesting dynamic if done right (Though getting the right balance so that things don't take forever to kill if you get a bunch of healers + tanks as well as not being so tough as to make mass DPS parties struggle to get through...)

But "8 man dungeons" is held up by the same designs that makes 4 man content bad and would make Trials tedious if they weren't just a single boss only.

The more fulfilling 8 man content... Is raids. Or well, it would be, if they weren't being designed more like Trials these days... (Which has some people asking for Raids to feel more like 8 man "Dungeons" rather than just Trials)

[HyoMinPark]

Pretty much as the topic says. There seems to be a huge desire for 8 man dungeons that are not raids. Something similar to the main story roulette but not a main story dungeon with long cutscenes if you know what i mean.
Is there a reason for this not being a thing yet?
It gives us the chance to help more people and take along more people from our FCs/friendslist/LS so more people can get xp and do things together.

EDIT: Just to clarify since people are jumping to conclusions really fast, NO ONE WANTS LONG CUTSCNES THAT ARE UNSKIPPABLE. A cutscene in the beginning when you enter and one after the final boss is all thats needed.

Can’t say I’ve ever met anyone who asks for 8-man dungeons. Harder 4-man dungeons? Yes. WoW’s Mythic+ system for 4-man dungeons? Frequently. But 8-man dungeons? Never seen anyone ever suggest that here, in-game, or on Reddit.

I've come across many people that wants dungeons to be more 8 man. You can bring more people with you and you can do stuff in bigger groups. It does create a bigger social aspect and a bigger mass can get to enjoy things together. We are mashing buttons right now through the regular dungeons, it's not like that they are hard in the first place. 4 man dungeons are tiresome and most people don't even want to bare redo roulettes after the daily reward is given so why not figure out different ways to appeal to the mass?

There’s nothing to guarantee that the 8-man dungeons wouldn’t also be giant facerolls.

The most commonly suggested “different way to appeal to the masses” with regards to dungeons seems to be integrating a Mythic+ style system to the 4-man style dungeons.

[linay]

Can’t say I’ve ever met anyone who asks for 8-man dungeons. Harder 4-man dungeons? Yes. WoW’s Mythic+ system for 4-man dungeons? Frequently. But 8-man dungeons? Never seen anyone ever suggest that here, in-game, or on Reddit.



There’s nothing to guarantee that the 8-man dungeons wouldn’t also be giant facerolls.

The most commonly suggested “different way to appeal to the masses” with regards to dungeons seems to be integrating a Mythic+ style system to the 4-man style dungeons.

I'm all for more difficulty in dungeon or actual hard mode version, maybe something akin to the level of Mythic dungeons in WoW, but I don't really care for the timed +affix system of Mythic+.

And I'm not sure how the reward structure of the game would have to change if such a system were to be implemented. I kind of like it as it is already.

[Katro]

Que time for 4 man are like 15-20 min time for 8 be something like 40 or more even for tank and healer day I say big no to this

[Dualgunner]

Que time for 4 man are like 15-20 min time for 8 be something like 40 or more even for tank and healer day I say big no to this

Because it takes so long to queue for primals.

Do we REALLY want MORE unskippable cutscene dungeons like Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum? Um... no. I'd rather cut my foot off completely with a butter knife than have a second set of dungeons that are 8 man. 8 man dungeons literally ruined wanting to do that content again. This would make me avoid doing dungeons after the first initial time (because LOLIMNEWTOTHEGAMEANDNEEDTOWATCHALLTHECUTSCENESBUTPLAYERSARERUININGITFORMEINGAMEQQ)

8 man dungeons =/= long cutscene dungeons. But yeah sure, you beat that strawman into the dirt there buddy.

[SkizzleAbernath]

Right now most people don't redo things after their dailys , so why not encourage people to play different? I understand that the que time for dps is horrible but surely dungeons can be added so you can only go in with people from your server that gives a tad more xp than regular dungeons as motivation for gameplay?

[Dyvid]

Okay, 8 man dungeon doesn't mean Castrum Meridianum or The Praetorium. Those were story based and very very cutscene intense to say the least. Flush those concepts of Full party dungeons down the toilet.

Honestly, the cons I hear only not wanting to play well with others. The pros are more complex dungeon mechanics like different branching paths and boss fights that require multiple objectives. I would say something akin to the Labyrinth of the Ancients. That would be a Real Expert DF Roulette. As far as the Raids debate, are they raids or just Trials with another name? Compare a Dungeon to Deltascape V1.0 and you should be able to tell the difference.

[Vivi_Bushido]

I want more 8 men dungeons. Sign me up!

[Kuroka]

I want some more too

[Acesfool]

If they were done well I wouldn't have a problem with more of them.