Final Thoughts

[noxen]

Word of advice....don't play WoW. Pretty sure if you think the tiny ounce of elitism in FFXIV is "bad", then you'd have to check yourself into a mental facility after trying to run one instance in WoW, where parsing is legit (and encouraged).

Oh boy, WoW's damage meter/parser scene is a thousand times more toxic than anything I've caught wind of on XIV. I don't parse, I'm not interested in end-game content beyond DF but what I've heard from the community on parsing has generally been positive.

WoW's parsing, on the other hand... If you're not in -at least- the top 5 (3 depending on the content), you're trash and everyone will make sure you know you're trash and instead of giving feedback and advice, they will beat it into your head that you are trash and you'll never get better no matter what you say think or do. Item levels, gearscores and DPS meters has ruined WoW end-game content slowly over the years.

Anyway, OP, you shan't be missed.

[Ilan]

Word of advice....don't play WoW. Pretty sure if you think the tiny ounce of elitism in FFXIV is "bad", then you'd have to check yourself into a mental facility after trying to run one instance in WoW, where parsing is legit (and encouraged).

Fun Fact: I'm playing WoW and what people are always claiming about it is nothing more than exaggeration. You might encounter this behaviour sometimes in the higher myth+ runs but thats about it. In normal dungeons no one give a crap about your dps as long as the stuff gets done.

[noxen]

Fun Fact: I'm playing WoW and what people are always claiming about it is nothing more than exaggeration.

Depends entirely on your server tbh. It varies from exaggeration to borderline harassment.

[Kalise]

Fun Fact: I'm playing WoW and what people are always claiming about it is nothing more than exaggeration. You might encounter this behaviour sometimes in the higher myth+ runs but thats about it. In normal dungeons no one give a crap about your dps as long as the stuff gets done.

It really can vary.

I've seen times when for parties you needed to provide previous logs of your DPS of the content and they all needed to be within a specific range or you don't get a spot in their group. For normal raids...

While other times people just didn't care about anything (Except when the Tank did the most damage, that would make them go post a bunch of threads on the forums/reddit about how OP Tanks are and that they need a billion nerfs)

Anyway...

Parsing (Also, DPS meters, HPS meters etc) is an inevitability in MMO's. If they're not outright allowed and incorporated into the game, then people will just use third party ones. If even THOSE are prevented, well, people will just manually parse using combat logs.

People want to see how they can improve, how they compare to the "Optimal" set up (I.e. Using Simulators) and comparing classes to each other to find better compositions.

This, also, invariably leads to some people being dicks about it. As they for some reason start to feel as though that pressing some buttons good makes them better people or something. Thus these "People" will be abusive/toxic towards players they see as "Bad" (As opposed to, idk... Helping them to improve?) - Even more so if the "Bad" player in question is playing a class that these toxic players consider "Easy" or "Braindead" to play optimally.

So while parsers are very healthy for a game, people are the worst people.

[Ilan]

Depends entirely on your server tbh. It varies from exaggeration to borderline harassment.

It really can vary.

I've seen times when for parties you needed to provide previous logs of your DPS of the content and they all needed to be within a specific range or you don't get a spot in their group. For normal raids...

While other times people just didn't care about anything (Except when the Tank did the most damage, that would make them go post a bunch of threads on the forums/reddit about how OP Tanks are and that they need a billion nerfs)

Anyway...

Parsing (Also, DPS meters, HPS meters etc) is an inevitability in MMO's. If they're not outright allowed and incorporated into the game, then people will just use third party ones. If even THOSE are prevented, well, people will just manually parse using combat logs.

People want to see how they can improve, how they compare to the "Optimal" set up (I.e. Using Simulators) and comparing classes to each other to find better compositions.

This, also, invariably leads to some people being dicks about it. As they for some reason start to feel as though that pressing some buttons good makes them better people or something. Thus these "People" will be abusive/toxic towards players they see as "Bad" (As opposed to, idk... Helping them to improve?) - Even more so if the "Bad" player in question is playing a class that these toxic players consider "Easy" or "Braindead" to play optimally.

So while parsers are very healthy for a game, people are the worst people.

I can obviously only speak from my experience and i have never even remotly seen something that people always claim and i'm playing on one of the big servers. The point is that most people here are just generaly saying that the WoW com is toxic which is not true. They have dicks just like we have dicks.

[Liam_Harper]

I have never, in my entire time playing FF14, seen anyone accuse someone else of being a bad player for not using a parser or a hunt radar. I've gone through a few hundred EX primal kills and haven't even seen a parser mentioned, let alone abuse over it, despite the fact half these seem to go onto fflogs.

A lot of the time the toxicity is from a player consistently doing half of what a player in the bottom 10% for their class should do and getting aggressive over advice.

I would actually like to see Enix really enforce their ToS, completely block ACT and fflogs, if only to highlight from the mass-quitting how much players actually prefer to have this sort of information for self improvement and raid leading, particularly at the high end.

[Thoosa]

It would be nice if they could make it so that the training dummies gave me an actual dps number, like the ones in ESO do, so I could improve, plus I don’t play on pc.

[Melichoir]

Just a quick reminder: Parsers are against the ToS.

Also a quick reminder: It's SE's ToS, so they can enforce it (or not enforce it) as they see fit.

Or in short, just 'cause it's in the ToS doesnt mean SE will ban you for it. It's their rules, their game, their product. They dont enforce everything in the ToS 100% for practical reasons, but they want things in the ToS to be there so in case they want to get rid of you, there are rules in place for them to justify it. Most notably if you start harassing other players with Parse numbers.

[Videra]

This will be my last post, I'm done with the game. Some thoughts...

For all of you that cheat and use parsers, and hunt radars, gathering bots, etc... and then have the gall to tell others they are not good players because they don't... enjoy your toxicity.

For SE.. maybe trying actually enforcing your ToS?

So much of the community in this game just openly brags and craps on others that refuse to cheat as being bad players that don't "want to get better." And SE... does absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.

Bye.

I actually didn't know hunt radars were a thing, but parsing is quite possibly one of the most important things that can be done in this game. With such a big focus on DPS, knowing how much DPS you're putting out relative to your potential and the DPS required? It's important. Parsing is a necessity in almost every MMO because of this, and the fact Square Enix still won't produce a proper addon API becuase 'parsing bad' is annoying.

Also, how do I make bait like this? I know I just took it, but that was masterful.

[Rowde]

I actually didn't know hunt radars were a thing, but parsing is quite possibly one of the most important things that can be done in this game. With such a big focus on DPS, knowing how much DPS you're putting out relative to your potential and the DPS required? It's important. Parsing is a necessity in almost every MMO because of this, and the fact Square Enix still won't produce a proper addon API becuase 'parsing bad' is annoying.

Also, how do I make bait like this? I know I just took it, but that was masterful.

I play on PS4. I don't use any mods and afaik there aren't any mods even available for PS4.

From my vague understanding of the topic of "hunt radars," back when I started playing in 2.0 there actually was a 3rd party program that detected, flagged, and relayed (to other users of the program) hunt marks. At some point during the many patches throughout 3.0 that program stopped working and hasn't been updated since. Everyone I know generally disliked this program as it often resulted in the ppl that actually worked on popping S Ranks missing the mark entirely if they spawned on the opposite side of the map from the trigger.

Nowadays there is only a program that can detect S Ranks afaik... So when ppl do triggers they know immediately if the S Rank actually spawned, but then they still have to go out and find it and do calls/relays once they do.