Genderlock reminder to SE

[Zorvan]

People yelling about "remove genderlocking" when they don't even know what genderlocking is. Can Viera be any class/job? Yes. Can a Hrothgar be any class/job? Yes.So no genderlocking. Genderlocking is, for example, only a female can be an archer and only a male can be a warrior. SE did not lock any gender. They simply did not add both genders of a race. Since male Viera are unable to be playable by LORE, the male/female balance was simply maintained by having only male playable Hrothgar.

[MrKimper]

People yelling about "remove genderlocking" when they don't even know what genderlocking is. Can Viera be any class/job? Yes. Can a Hrothgar be any class/job? Yes.So no genderlocking. Genderlocking is, for example, only a female can be an archer and only a male can be a warrior. SE did not lock any gender. They simply did not add both genders of a race. Since male Viera are unable to be playable by LORE, the male/female balance was simply maintained by having only male playable Hrothgar.

Haha I remember seeing this same argument on twitter and seeing people laugh at it just as hard. Never fails to give me a chuckle.

[Wynn_Storm]

Haha I remember seeing this same argument on twitter and seeing people laugh at it just as hard. Never fails to give me a chuckle.

At least it makes more sense than what a lot of the pro male viera people keep spewing out.

[xbahax92]

At least it makes more sense than what a lot of the pro male viera people keep spewing out.

Ah yes. Because the same lore made Ashelia and Rasler into siblings. Ba'gamnan became their royal guard, there is a connection between Ramza and his likes from FFtactics. Lore friendly indeed.

[Wynn_Storm]

Ah yes. Because the same lore made Ashelia and Rasler into siblings. Ba'gamnan became their royal guard, there is a connection between Ramza and his likes from FFtactics. Lore friendly indeed.

This is exactly what i mean, spewing nonsense. I don't know where i talked about lore in my post. Are you pro male viera people just seeing things now?

[reivaxe]

Haha I remember seeing this same argument on twitter and seeing people laugh at it just as hard. Never fails to give me a chuckle.

That definition of Gender Locking is correct. I don't much care about the lore part as lore is made to explain why we've never seen Male Viera before in this case. If the devs wanna stick to do then so be it. But yeah, when someone in any other MMO says "gender locked" they're talking about a job/ class that can only be used by 1 gender.

I mean hell, people keep talking about ronso lore and female Ronso this or that but Hrothgar are not Ronso. For all we know they will explain away their gender situation by saying that they're a race that reproduces with other humanoid races and only has male offspring. That would be another example of lore explaining why you don't see a 2nd gender ... so I'm interested in their lore. Benchmark!

[Halivel]

This is exactly what i mean, spewing nonsense. I don't know where i talked about lore in my post. Are you pro male viera people just seeing things now?

I think it adressed not directly to you, but more to Zorvan comment. Since Ivalice lore was broken anyway, lore as excuse sounds just meh (and it's not even the reason anymore, Yoshi said their reasons). But since you wrote that it makes more sence, last answer was adressed to your comment. Not sure that it's the correct order though.

[Cidel]

Okay, someone (actually several, preferably from opposing viewpoints) explain to me what exactly the whole issue is with the lore being used? I'm constantly seeing "the lore excuse" and I'm getting the feeling both sides are interpreting in such a way that supports their own narratives. What exactly irks people about the opposition referencing/ignoring lore? I have my own theories, but I want to see why this gets turned into such a hot topic. Like, at what point does the lore become gospel and unchangeable or nonsense and negligible?

Half-devil's advocate, but genuine question.

[xbahax92]

This is exactly what i mean, spewing nonsense. I don't know where i talked about lore in my post. Are you pro male viera people just seeing things now?

Following the chain of posts, you protect Zorvans point, while he is saying lore is justifiable and responding that to MrKimper. It was a indirect answer to Zorvan and a message to you. Dunno why you get all up just because I quoted you, maybe manage your temper first.

[Halivel]

Okay, someone (actually several, preferably from opposing viewpoints) explain to me what exactly the whole issue is with the lore being used? I'm constantly seeing "the lore excuse" and I'm getting the feeling both sides are interpreting in such a way that supports their own narratives. What exactly irks people about the opposition referencing/ignoring lore? I have my own theories, but I want to see why this gets turned into such a hot topic. Like, at what point does the lore become gospel and unchangeable or nonsense and negligible?

Half-devil's advocate, but genuine question.

It's hard topic. Lore is important, of course, and it's not like SE should ingore it at all just because. But in case with WoL (players) it has some nuances.

In my opinion, we need lore more for explaining for how world works, than for us itself. For example, we don't see male Keepers of the Moon in MSQ (and see them 2 or 3 times overall in side quests), almost don't see Duskwight Elezens (just... 1 in Lancer story I think?), there is no Au Ra in Eorzea (outside of Yugiri and guy in Ydelshire from custom deliveries). So, that be said, with lore we can explain why we don't see some races (since it's topic) among NPC or see them only in specific locations (Au Ra).

Still, when we try to stick lore on player, it breaks a lot. We should be unable to play as WHM, BLM, DRG, DRK, SCH, SMN, SAM, NIN (and well, almost all jobs at all). Should remove male miqo'tes, duskwight Elezens, whole Au Ra race (if player bought full game and started play as Au Ra from 1st level, his first meeting with Yugiri will look quite ridiculous in terms of lore). And should not even add female Viera in the first place, because of their lore. However, WoL is special, and other players don't count in our story - that's why we can play our jobs and rare races. If Hydaelyn pick only one person from race for making him a protector of the world (and his homeland, in case with both F and M Vieras as example) it doesn't break lore, because WoL is an exception.