Genderlock reminder to SE

[Nora_of_Mira]

how do you know what the silent majority thinks though? they aren't saying anything...

"the silent majority is silent because it has nothing to say."

[NYCAcimStudent]

Gender locking in and of itself is fine if it is lore-based. For an analogy, I hardly see people complaining that Amazons are specifically portrayed as female.

If anything, SE really screwed up with making FEMALE Roes! The moment they did that, they permanently lost the "lore" argument and I can see why people are pissed about the Viera and Hrothgar being gender locked. It turns SE into big hypocrites. Though frankly, Square Enix lost the lore argument over more than just gender locking (SMN job identity, I'm looking at you!)

I only ask that people not be obnoxious about their desire to remove gender locking. Being a huge jerk immediately dismantles any argument that #GenderExit crowd might have.


P.S. The excuse about SE not having the time or resources to do more than 1 gender is nonsense. They make plenty of revenue from subscription fees. Since they choose to allocate funds away from FFXIV, it is 100% their own fault that they have a lack of resources and the forums will let them know it!

[Aramina]

At least I know where they are

Also, if OP can make baseless claims about representing the majority I can do the same right?

MFW, people are on the same "side" but have somehow misunderstood that fact.

edit: For clarity, the person you are arguing(ish) with was pointing out the idiocy of the op claiming to speak for the majority.

[Aramina]

Gender locking in and of itself is fine if it is lore-based. For an analogy, I hardly see people complaining that Amazons are specifically portrayed as female.

If anything, SE really screwed up with making FEMALE Roes! The moment they did that, they permanently lost the "lore" argument and I can see why people are pissed about the Viera and Hrothgar being gender locked. It turns SE into big hypocrites. Though frankly, Square Enix lost the lore argument over more than just gender locking (SMN job identity, I'm looking at you!)

I only ask that people not be obnoxious about their desire to remove gender locking. Being a huge jerk immediately dismantles any argument that #GenderExit crowd might have.


P.S. The excuse about SE not having the time or resources to do more than 1 gender is nonsense. They make plenty of revenue from subscription fees. Since they choose to allocate funds away from FFXIV, it is 100% their own fault that they have a lack of resources and the forums will let them know it!

I don't think anyone said SE didn't have the funds, but that said funds were not allocated to the game. Yoshi-P saying "they couldn't do it" for financial reasons meant the FFXIV team couldn't, not that SE couldn't have allowed them to.

[WaterShield]

MFW, people are on the same "side" but have somehow misunderstood that fact.

edit: For clarity, the person you are arguing(ish) with was pointing out the idiocy of the op claiming to speak for the majority.

You may want to look further back in the thread. We are very much not on the same side.

[Lacan]

"the silent majority is silent because it has nothing to say."

so what is the point of trying to say the majority thinks a certain way when we can't possibly know that? :v The only thing we have to go off of are the people who actually do say something, and there are way more people requesting the genderlocks be removed than there are people speaking out in support of them.

[WaterShield]

so what is the point of trying to say the majority thinks a certain way when we can't possibly know that? :v The only thing we have to go off of are the people who actually do say something, and there are way more people requesting the genderlocks be removed than there are people speaking out in support of them.

But my own experience has shown more people out in support of the gender lock than people who want it removed. So who is right?

[BillyKaplan]

But my own experience has shown more people out in support of the gender lock than people who want it removed. So who is right?

By your own statement, no one should bring up these arguments about silent majority or vocal minority or what have you, in either direction. None of us have the statistics, and chances are we all hang out with like-minded people. We're also likelier to not pay attention to conversations we don't care for, which likely involve the opposite opinion, so even our individual anecdotal experiences are skewed.
All people can and should say is what they themselves support and why. Either side making claims about the other is a waste of time and forum space.

[Lacan]

But my own experience has shown more people out in support of the gender lock than people who want it removed. So who is right?

Personal experience isn't a good indicator either though. I know lots of people ingame who don't like the genderlock either. So who is right? The sample size in your personal circle isn't big enough to make any kind of judgement from. The only thing we have to go off of is the attitude of the official forums. That's all SE has to go off of too, they're not reviewing ingame chatlogs.


The pro-genderlock people are actually the minority on the forums if you compare the number of posts and likes on them. :v

[WaterShield]

By your own statement, no one should bring up these arguments about silent majority or vocal minority or what have you, in either direction. None of us have the statistics, and chances are we all hang out with like-minded people. We're also likelier to not pay attention to conversations we don't care for, which likely involve the opposite opinion, so even our individual anecdotal experiences are skewed.
All people can and should say is what they themselves support and why. Either side making claims about the other is a waste of time and forum space.

He gets it.

Until we get an unbiased poll of the player base... these threads are pointless.

I'm mainly here to keep the other side grounded with some form of opposition. It wouldn't do for them to think no one opposes what they want and be surprised by it later.

Edit: I'm also legitimately against male Viera and female Hrothgar being added to the game as they will absolutely result in some other content getting cut.