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[Sigma-Astra]

Actually I can, because I'm referring to those replies found in and on these forums. And considering I've been following the 220+ page Viera thread on the forums since it started it's fairly easy; and readily available, for me to make that claim and it's also readily available to you as well.

The forums are not readily used by everyone who plays the game though, so no, you can't. If I claimed that the people using the forums were the vast majority vocalizing for the races to stay as they are, I'd get laughed at and rightfully so.

Using the forums as a factual measure isn't a good thing, even more so if you can't understand Japanese or the other languages to get an idea and feel towards what the other regions might think. You're literally pooling your facts and resources from a choice group of people on the NA side, claiming they're the majority, and then ignoring everyone else. Especially since that thread alone has several of the same people talking back and forth with replies in multiple cases.

It's a very dubious claim to make that hurts your point more than it helps.

[Kyuuen]

The forums are not readily used by everyone who plays the game though, so no, you can't. If I claimed that the people using the forums were the vast majority vocalizing for the races to stay as they are, I'd get laughed at and rightfully so.

Using the forums as a factual measure isn't a good thing, even more so if you can't understand Japanese or the other languages to get an idea and feel towards what the other regions might think. You're literally pooling your facts and resources from a choice group of people on the NA side, claiming they're the majority, and then ignoring everyone else. Especially since that thread alone has several of the same people talking back and forth with replies in multiple cases.

It's a very dubious claim to make that hurts your point more than it helps.

And you can have that argument with someone else as that was not my claim. I spoke of a majority and then in a later post amended that I was referring to these forums and the posters there. I'm not so naive as to believe the forums to be a majority of players, however I can speak to the majority of what I have seen here. Granted I'll give you that I can't speak for the other sections as far as the EU/JP forums where other languages are used.

Apologies for being unclear.

As to Reddit and other 'outsider' forums. My issue with that is that it can be just as bad as the official forums, but in the opposite manner. Here we're at least able say that these are people who play the game, whereas sites like Reddit there's no reliable way of telling if they've ever played the game.

Both are double edged swords in their own ways.

[Sigma-Astra]

And you can have that argument with someone else as that was not my claim. I spoke of a majority and then in a later post amended that I was referring to these forums and the posters there. I'm not so naive as to believe the forums to be a majority of players, however I can speak to the majority of what I have seen here. Granted I'll give you that I can't speak for the other sections as far as the EU/JP forums where other languages are used.

Apologies for being unclear.

As to Reddit and other 'outsider' forums. My issue with that is that it can be just as bad as the official forums, but in the opposite manner. Here we're at least able say that these are people who play the game, whereas sites like Reddit there's no reliable way of telling if they've ever played the game.

Both are double edged swords in their own ways.

My main point being is that we should just steer clear of using the terms "majority" or "minority" to make a point in any of this because in reality, we just don't know and relying on either side will show a clear bias that can easily be refuted. Are there some people on the forums that are really vocal about these things? Yes. Are they still the majority even if we were strictly referring towards just these forums and the posters here? I'd still say no, because none of us here would even know an accurate total or number of the "usual" or "daily" forum faces that frequent here to begin with. Sometimes I see names that I recognize, sometimes I don't.

Who on earth knows what the majority of people here or not are. It's an almost impossible task honestly. We would need like....a timecard system just to see who is more of a regular than another.

[Kyuuen]

My main point being is that we should just steer clear of using the terms "majority" or "minority" to make a point in any of this because in reality, we just don't know and relying on either side will show a clear bias that can easily be refuted. Are there some people on the forums that are really vocal about these things? Yes. Are they still the majority even if we were strictly referring towards just these forums and the posters here? I'd still say no, because none of us here would even know an accurate total or number of the "usual" or "daily" forum faces that frequent here to begin with. Sometimes I see names that I recognize, sometimes I don't.

Who on earth knows what the majority of people here or not are. It's an almost impossible task honestly. We would need like....a timecard system just to see who is more of a regular than another.

Fair enough. ^^;