Genderlock reminder to SE

[FoxyAreku]

It's not really about being a 'majority' (with 8 races now you'll never get a majority for any of them) it's just about whether it's a big enough demand for it to be worth their time to implement.

But even then, the earliest we'll see it happen is in 6.0 in two years time.

Not necessarily. It could easily be worked on in pieces then added halfway through the expansion. Only time will tell.

I really hope they keep the races how they are. Genderlocked I think is really good for this game. So please SE don't listen to all these complainers. Because they will just find another reason to complain any way.

How in the world is it good for the game?

I mean, I hate viera and would have liked them to just not be implemented at all, but even I'm not so selfish to not realize that they existing is good for the game since they are a heavily requested feature.

Exclusivity, on the other hand, is rarely good for game health in any form.

[VertoIncantation]

How in the world is it good for the game?

I mean, I hate viera and would have liked them to just not be implemented at all, but even I'm not so selfish to not realize that they existing is good for the game since they are a heavily requested feature.

Exclusivity, on the other hand, is rarely good for game health in any form.

But here's the issue, Viera lore is ivalice, female only. Males are NEVER seen (and were never plan) aside for mating and only in the woods/jungle, away from praying eyes in a protected area hidden by a strong barrier accessible only to female viera. Now that viera is finally coming to FF14, people want more (like always from this rabbid fanbase, just look at china/korea costume topics) out of something that doesn't exist. Yea sure the race could be born in a year or 2, with new lore and patch and whatever, but right now, it doesn't exist.

It doesn't hurt the game in any way, lots of games have gender locked race/gender or CLASS to specific, people live with it. Now on the other day...FF14 fanbase..they want everything at the cost of something else (which will obviously happen), they're never happy. This fanbase is just baffling.

[MrKimper]

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Uh that's not a fair response to criticism or requests by fans, in any sort of medium. Saying that you should at base accept everything that is given to you by a developer as being perfect and spot on is not how an ever evolving game like an MMO improves. There are MULTIPLE problems with your statement that doesn't even involve male viera.

Eureka was meh at launch and pagos was downright unplayable when it dropped. This was AFTER it had been delayed by a patch mind you, BLU is all but irrelevant content after it's release with promises of "new and unique gameplay" coming 3 months at the very least AFTER the new expansion drops. Spell speed hackers are to my knowledge STILL a thing in PVP, Bow mage in heavensward, DIADEM and don't even get me started on east coast lag after the data center move. These aren't even counting the host of problems at launch with SB where players couldn't even load into zones or finish story quests.

I agree that feedback should be consolidated into ONE thread, that this isn't something someone should cancel their sub over(even though they have that right) and that people who take this as a crusade against sexism and homophobia are batty, but please don't pretend as if XIV is some sort of entitled community that only complains unfairly about the developers. It's just not true, period, the amount of patience people have shown when dealing with serious core issues with the game is just saintly and I commend the dev team for just as well ADDRESSING these issues rather than sweep them underneath the rug.

Giving feedback ≠ Complaining to complain.

It's just the same way avid destiny fans complained how barren the game was at launch or how terrible mass effect 3's endings were only to be called "entitled baby gamers" it just reeks of corporate boot licking. Just lapping up anything given to you just makes you sound like a drone, not a person. Again this isn't even about viera but your entire argument equates any sort of dislike of something implemented as being a whiner which just isn't a constructive mindset to have at all.

[KaijinRhada]

Gender lock threads exist in abundance for both options. Let's not dilute the topic, and stick to the megathreads.

But here's the issue, Viera lore is ivalice, female only. Males are NEVER seen (and were never plan) aside for mating and only in the woods/jungle, away from praying eyes in a protected area hidden by a strong barrier accessible only to female viera. Now that viera is finally coming to FF14, people want more (like always from this rabbid fanbase, just look at china/korea costume topics) out of something that doesn't exist. Yea sure the race could be born in a year or 2, with new lore and patch and whatever, but right now, it doesn't exist.

Honestly, if the lore of Ivalice was that important, why was the timeline of the Ivalice events changed to be backwards? Why was Ovelia just a footnote, and Delita not in character? Why were Ashe and Rasler twins and not husband and wife? Why not ask Matsuno, who already said that he had no input in implementing the race in the first place, outside of the stuff he's already written? FFXIV borrows from other games and changes it as it sees fit. Nothing is sacred.

By the account of lore, civilization-advanced Ivalice races aside from humans are extinct by the time Tactics rolled around. By the same token, if they really wanted to keep it to the lore, they would have never introduced male Miqo'te, and if they wanted the spirit of an imported race, the same would apply to female Roegadyn.

[MrKimper]

Gender lock threads exist in abundance for both options. Let's not dilute the topic, and stick to the megathreads.



Honestly, if the lore of Ivalice was that important, why was the timeline of the Ivalice events changed to be backwards? Why was Ovelia just a footnote, and Delita not in character? Why were Ashe and Rasler twins and not husband and wife? Why not ask Matsuno, who already said that he had no input in implementing the race in the first place, outside of the stuff he's already written? FFXIV borrows from other games and changes it as it sees fit. Nothing is sacred.

By the account of lore, civilization-advanced Ivalice races aside from humans are extinct by the time Tactics rolled around. By the same token, if they really wanted to keep it to the lore, they would have never introduced male Miqo'te, and if they wanted the spirit of an imported race, the same would apply to female Roegadyn.

I mean even if you go by lore, the viera's first appearance was in advance, which was a fantasy version of ivalice made by mewt, in XII there are male viera they simply live separately from the women(apparently this was apart of the multitude of cut content from XII from what I remember) this is the same in advance2 since unlike advance A2 takes place in the same ivalice as XII just several years into the future iirc. So based on lore Viera has never been a "Female only" race in the sense that males do not exist ever.

So the lore excuse is just bad, I do understand the development teams desire to not add in viera but doing it out of obligation. That being said I would have rather they stuck to their guns and released full hrothgar and maybe release viera for 6.0. I just think the "2 races in one expansion!" business tactic was just bad.

[Joven]

I'm honestly surprised the devs are even releasing ANY new races because they had to know something like this would happen. Even if they did release both genders for each race then it would be "why do the males get this pose while the females don't?" Or "why do females get this facial feature and males don't?" Blah blah blah. It's a never ending cycle on here. Each race/gender should have things to make them unique, if they didn't then what would be the point of having multiple races/genders.

I for one am simply happy by the fact that we ARE getting new races and I'm anxiously awaiting both of them. I even transfered one of my alts to another server to make room for both on my main server. Be happy that we're getting anything at all and stop making such a fuss before the content even comes out, you'll be a lot happier for it.

[reivaxe]

Not necessarily. It could easily be worked on in pieces then added halfway through the expansion. Only time will tell.

Nooope, they can't.

it's not nearly as easy as you think it is.

They Legit started working on Viera and Hrothgar shortly after the release of SB and they only got to a finished enough state to show them recently ... and we STILL gotta wait for them to work on head gear post June.

How in the world is it good for the game?

I mean, I hate viera and would have liked them to just not be implemented at all, but even I'm not so selfish to not realize that they existing is good for the game since they are a heavily requested feature.

Exclusivity, on the other hand, is rarely good for game health in any form.

Adding races is not only time and resources intensive but also puts permanently ongoing strain on the dev team.

They literally said that this is it, this is all they can do ... because with their current work flow they only have the means to do this AND still be able to push out content at the pace they have been doing so far.

In a prefect world we could get more everything. We would get a Tank/ Healer/ DPS every expansion. Relic final forms would always look AMAZING and the MB wouldn't be crap design.
But this aint that. Adding too much strain on the dev team means we suffer in some area. Be it fuller and worse gear designs being released or more non-sense like "Hey, It's Valentines Days! Our yearly event this time is gonna reward you with ... a crappy looking DRK sword and a Cul 2nd hand glam cause we're too busy!" or them deciding to gate off even more glam for the Mog Station to offset the cost.

[MrKimper]

Nooope, they can't.

it's not nearly as easy as you think it is.

They Legit started working on Viera and Hrothgar shortly after the release of SB and they only got to a finished enough state to show them recently ... and we STILL gotta wait for them to work on head gear post June.




Adding races is not only time and resources intensive but also puts permanently ongoing strain on the dev team.

They literally said that this is it, this is all they can do ... because with their current work flow they only have the means to do this AND still be able to push out content at the pace they have been doing so far.

In a prefect world we could get more everything. We would get a Tank/ Healer/ DPS every expansion. Relic final forms would always look AMAZING and the MB wouldn't be crap design.
But this aint that. Adding too much strain on the dev team means we suffer in some area. Be it fuller and worse gear designs being released or more non-sense like "Hey, It's Valentines Days! Our yearly event this time is gonna reward you with ... a crappy looking DRK sword and a Cul 2nd hand glam cause we're too busy!" or them deciding to gate off even more glam for the Mog Station to offset the cost.

That's SE's fault for not allocating resources properly COUGHXVSTILLGETTINGSUPPORT2YEARSAFTERRELEASECOUGH not the fanbase for actually expecting full quality on a project, again my biggest issue is the dev team not just releasing full hrothgar is that's where their PASSION was and just saying that. Instead we get "two" gimp'd races that can't even use full gear at launch, this isn't me being entitled I'm just disappointed that we're two expansions in and this game is STILL suffering from resource issues.

I know it's the reality of the situation, and I accept that but I don't think that should equate to a free get out of jail free card from criticism for this still being an issue several years into this game.

[Wynn_Storm]

That's SE's fault for not allocating resources properly COUGHXVSTILLGETTINGSUPPORT2YEARSAFTERRELEASECOUGH not the fanbase for actually expecting full quality on a project, again my biggest issue is the dev team not just releasing full hrothgar is that's where their PASSION was and just saying that. Instead we get "two" gimp'd races that can't even use full gear at launch, this isn't me being entitled I'm just disappointed that we're two expansions in and this game is STILL suffering from resource issues.

I know it's the reality of the situation, and I accept that but I don't think that should equate to a free get out of jail free card from criticism for this still being an issue several years into this game.

I don't think it should be used as a get out of jail free card.

But i think the point that Reivaxe is trying to make is, there is no point in crying over it.

Whining and raging won't change anything. They literally couldn't do it because of lack of resources.

And no matter how much you pout and whine, it won't change that. People whining and pouting won't suddenly give SE more resources to give them what they want.

You can be upset.. But you need to understand that with what they were given, this is the best they could do.

It sucks for those that wanted male viera/female ronso. And i hope sometime in the future we get them.

But unsubbing literally doesn't effect or change anything. You actually just make it worse and harder to get what you want.

I'm not trying to guilt anyone to staying subbed, but that's just the reality of it.

All those people unsubbing, and saying "I'll sub back when we get male viera" aren't helping their cause in the slightest.

[MrKimper]

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And that's fine, again I'll reiterate something I've said multiple times, I don't think it's something worth unsubbing over for genderlocks by themselves, but I think people have that right to.

I still don't agree with equating feedback to pouting and whining, I think that's a fallacy because bad publicity does mean a lot in this day and age, bad publicity pretty much killed 1.0 even after it was fixed, and has made fallout 76 a terrible laughingstock, again a lot of those games had their own issues beforehand that made them much much worse than XIV just from a gameplay perspective but without feedback and outrage, I mean what else would have happened? look at destiny, game was terrible at launch but any criticism was met with "stop complaining, it's fine" from avid members of the fanbase that drove people away from actually playing the game.

That's my issue, it just feels like a lot of people, this isn't directed at you, in this community just equate anything negatively said to whining and I think that's bad. Look at bowmage, the amount of times people said it was terrible pre HW launch and met with being dismissed and told to "wait" before they made an opinion was staggering.

I do agree there are people who complain with a smack of entitlement about genderlocks, but I disagree that all feedback is just complaining to complain or screaming into a vaccum and should not exist on the forums. Should threads be spammed non-stop? no, but they should exist and be scrutinized on the merit of their argument the anecdotal dislikes you may have with someone personal. The dev team are prone to listen and I respect that, I hated diadem, both versions but I respect them at least trying to overhaul it, I hated anemos and pagos but I respect them for giving his pyros.

I don't think anyone should be dismissive of a GENERAL set of feedback on any topic because it discourages people and sets an air of complacency and stagnation on the forums that it doesn't need.