Content Finder

[Mychael]

Also as of now, people don't even talk (not really). You see everyone off doing their own thing, solo (which is what so many people are saying will happen if they add this, so its the same thing either way).

The most active is usually during events, in teamspeak/ventrillo especially. Which is good, but on those off days where hardly anything is going on, it would be nice to just queue up & go do something fun.

I don't want to start another server battle, but it might be worthy of note that not all servers are like this... and server activity is bound to go up after the merge, and after 2.0 the population of a server will be even higher, hopefully.

[Rousseau]

Hmm. I wouldn't say that people soloing is inherently bad. The problem is when players begin being rude to one another, telling each other to commit suicide because they don't have the best gear, have a different opinion, aren't fast enough, etc. These are issues I see most often in random groups in WoW, not when people are out soloing quests. Sometimes even trying to be friendly when joining a group is enough to get you cursed at or even vote kicked.

Everyone should be able to go play the game quietly and just chill, if they so desire. What matters is that they are polite, decent community members when they ARE in a social environment with others. In order to keep that in a game, it is important to have reasons for people to communicate, plan, and seek advice/help from others on occasion. It doesn't need to be all the time, just often enough. Making a game too automated is what tends to result in a decline of civility, as people begin to view each other as tools, not neighbors. That's all I'm really concerned with, after witnessing it happen in a game that decided to put subscription numbers above the actual quality of their world. Convenience brings in the money, but it also cheapens the experience and makes everyone miserable.

[weeble]

i agree dont' want it to affect the gameplay and open world or community. in general though i don't consider 8man content endgame, it's extra stuff to me. it should be easy for all to do. but in general i like statics for it but ...if a content finder is in place i don't think it would be a bad idea for this type of content. for bcnm's and anything that involves small man to do. as for KS runs that take full large groups or sky, sea dynamisis or even limbus ...then yeah it's not like they will have one for these things. later i am only assuming mroe and more endgame will become larger pve scale like the one yoshi was talkign about being after 2.0 and ishgard saying over 40players at a time.

it don't hurt and especially i think it needs to be implemented for pvp type stuff ....take ffxi pvp ..it would of still years later been in use if it had a simple que for it and not force people to run zone to zone for them ...find people to do them with cause they were empty ..lot of work for those ....it's why it died out...it's not like it wasn't fun it was.

i guess i see it as...if this mmo is going the route of other mmo's and only plans on small man endgame, it's got bigger problems then the content finder. it helps for small groupings, specially since linkshells or not 8man is 8man and it's not like theres 3 or 4 or 5 ifrit or moogle fights happening all at same time with same linkshell right? people don't take that effort right now and i doubt ever will for small man dungeons. so it helps gather players easily.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I don't want to start another server battle, but it might be worthy of note that not all servers are like this... and server activity is bound to go up after the merge, and after 2.0 the population of a server will be even higher, hopefully.

I'm sure some servers are more than others. But overall i bet it still feels just as dead almost everywhere.

It's not like there are completely 0 shouts, there's still Spiritbond/leveling & the occasional ifrit/moogle every so often.
I've actually been surprised seeing them this late in the patches life. Since most people afk till next patch.


Regardless, it's too hard & early to tell if this enhancement will be a detriment to the 2.0 crowd and onwards.
It's starting to become an expected feature either way in the MMO "get up & go" direction as of late.

I believe this type of system will be good, but should have some kind of limitations for the cross-server aspect. Be it fatigue(Anima?) or only targeting specific content.

Not much else to say, so I'll leave you guys to it. ^^

[Sylvari]

Personally i would be content if they had the search system from FFXI and the dungeon queue finder system from WoW, Also WoW has an interesting way to deal with ninja's. Loot is defined by the class/role in which uses it and only those that use it can roll Need on it. I never had any problems with the search system FFXI had because i always started my own party, but that doesn't change the fact that some ppl just don't have the guts to put their selves out there and try to start something.. Some ppl prefer to follow and take orders. I believe for SE to be successful they need to give both groups a good system that can either help them make new friends to play with or just give them the shortest route to their content.

In this day and age ppl have far less patience and even less ppl skills. As a business SE has to adapt to that.

[Jinko]

When's the last time you played WoW? They added a raid finder for Dragon Soul. It's possible to go in and kill the final boss in less than an hour, if you play your cards right. At most, it might take a few hours, with no previous experience needed. The only reason to keep playing after that is to get more gear, gear that will be outdated by the time the next expansion is released. To me, this is a bad move. The game functions like an assembly line now, and there is no reason to play just for the sake of having fun, especially since everyone is rushing to get everything ASAP and is always in a horrible mood.

Oh really ?

Sounds good to me, I am in favour of MMO's that are gear progressive, people in my LS have been wanting to do In to the Dark for months now and nobody is interested in going in there, this is exactly why a dungeon finder would be helpful.

As someone above said nobody is forcing anyone to use this.

Of course if everyone does start to rely on it then it means people want to use it.

I used to play WoW also I'm not fooling myself like you though that the reason I left had anything to do with the dungeon finder, the game has just become old and boring that's all.

Add-ons are another issue, and I really hope nothing like Deadly Boss Mods or DPS counters are allowed

We already have parsers and there is a good chance someone will programme an addon to shout out messages onscreen when it is detected in the battle log.

Again if you and the community hate them so much you won't need to use them.

That will create even more aggressive behavior and put the devs on a path to making content more and more convoluted.

SE don't need any help with that I assure you, just check out the primal loot system.

We really should be having this discussion now, while they are still working on the 2.0 client. If we don't let Yoshi-P know what we think, he can't even consider our suggestions

The 2.0 servers and game engine are all but finished, I doubt Yoshi-p will go back on this now.

[Abauge_Goga]

I like OP's idea. Content finder ftw!

[Choyi]

I'm againts content(dungeon) finder type systems, probably cause I've seen the worst of what thoose systems can bring.
And as others have said it just promotes a more instanced based game in which case I question what it being a MMO even is the point.

All in all, lets have some real content first before we need to worry about weather getting a finder for it will be neccessary or not?

[Rousseau]

Oh really ?

Ah, what a wonderful way to begin...

As someone above said nobody is forcing anyone to use this.

Of course if everyone does start to rely on it then it means people want to use it.

Wrong. People do what they feel they need to in order to compete. That is how people think. Create a free-for-all, and people take the easiest road, which is not necessarily the best for the entire group. Just because people want something does not mean they should be allowed to have it.

Sounds good to me, I am in favour of MMO's that are gear progressive, people in my LS have been wanting to do In to the Dark for months now and nobody is interested in going in there, this is exactly why a dungeon finder would be helpful.

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I used to play WoW also I'm not fooling myself like you though that the reason I left had anything to do with the dungeon finder, the game has just become old and boring that's all.

See, this attitude is the very kind that I wish would stay in WoW and not begin to infect FFXIV. We don't need things that are going to make it easy for this sort of thinking and behavior to spread around and be rewarded.

Also, if you are having trouble getting help from your LS, maybe you should join another. We're allowed to be a member of eight, so it's not like you can't try to find another that contains people who are interested in doing what you want. Just like in FFXI, people had an LS for each kind of activity they wanted to engage in, and now you can see the chatter of all of them at once. If that doesn't work, wait for the merge and learn to be content with what you do have.

SE don't need any help with that I assure you, just check out the primal loot system.

Loot systems do not make up an entire encounter. If you think they do, then that is yet another example I shall point to as to the wrong-headed thinking that will destroy this game. "It's all about me and my loot, screw everyone else!" Yeah, no thanks. I'll be over here simply trying to have fun with other people in my community, working together to accomplish similar goals and helping them with whatever I can...because that is what I believe should be at the core of a game like this, and nothing else. Feel free to have a different opinion, but I want nothing to do with it.

The 2.0 servers and game engine are all but finished, I doubt Yoshi-p will go back on this now.

If Blizzard is capable of adding and removing features each patch, then SE can do it before a new client is released. It's not that difficult. Stop trying to discourage those who actually want an environment that isn't full of sociopathic jerks who do nothing but try to clamor over each other for the next best piece of gear, like people at Walmart do on Black Friday.

All in all, lets have some real content first before we need to worry about weather getting a finder for it will be neccessary or not?

Yoshi-P has already started to talk about it, hence why I brought it up. I think it's better to discuss and consolidate suggestions now, rather than wait until it's completely finished.

[Jinko]

Also, if you are having trouble getting help from your LS, maybe you should join another. .

I did it months ago, I said people in my LS wanted to do it, yes I'm willing to help them, my LS is awesome for what its worth.

The problem at the moment is that hardly anyone is playing, not just in my LS but across the board, which makes content like DH difficult to do.

1. Because people are not motivated to do it due to the drops being useless since the addition of Materia.
2. Not enough people playing to make up a decent party.

Both of which can be circumvented with a content finder.

But yea you go ahead and pick out the negative points in my post, we don't want people like me playing FFXIV.. "go play wow!!"

I sure told myself.

Stop trying to discourage those who actually want an environment that isn't full of sociopathic jerks.

Is this supposed to be irony :P ?

My point was !!, that the server structure has been designed in clusters which is what will allow cross server interaction, you think after all that hard work they are just guna say ahhh screw this just because a few people don't want it..

What about the people who do want it ?

For all the effort you put into deconstructing my post you sure are close minded, but as long as you are happy right ?