Content Finder

[Babydoll]

I think this is a good idea if done right. As long as people can't "ninja" loot it should be ok. Need before Greed though seems to have loop holes. Meh..I don't really care as long as I can just do this content with my usual low man group of friends. =P

In Forsaken World they have this system...sometimes people do still end up waiting a long time. If you are a healer though you get picked up instantly lol.

[Answa]

This is a great idea. You don't need to use it: you'll still have your LS, the party search function, your linkshell, and shouting. But if you log on, you're tired and want to do something exciting because you really don't have that much time, this is your knight in shining armor. It's as simple as that.

[Jynx]

Cross server stuff: No thanks, I don't want to encourage the developers to have even more reasons to Instance everything.

[KumaAkuma]

First need content to find Orz.

[Rokien]

I think this is a good idea if done right. As long as people can't "ninja" loot it should be ok. Need before Greed though seems to have loop holes. Meh..I don't really care as long as I can just do this content with my usual low man group of friends. =P

In Forsaken World they have this system...sometimes people do still end up waiting a long time. If you are a healer though you get picked up instantly lol.

Do you do porn?

[Reaujien]

Cross server stuff: No thanks, I don't want to encourage the developers to have even more reasons to Instance everything.

I'm on the same page.

[Rousseau]

Even WoW doesn't have raids as part of the dungeon finder.

When's the last time you played WoW? They added a raid finder for Dragon Soul. It's possible to go in and kill the final boss in less than an hour, if you play your cards right. At most, it might take a few hours, with no previous experience needed. The only reason to keep playing after that is to get more gear, gear that will be outdated by the time the next expansion is released. To me, this is a bad move. The game functions like an assembly line now, and there is no reason to play just for the sake of having fun, especially since everyone is rushing to get everything ASAP and is always in a horrible mood.

This is a great idea. You don't need to use it: you'll still have your LS, the party search function, your linkshell, and shouting. But if you log on, you're tired and want to do something exciting because you really don't have that much time, this is your knight in shining armor. It's as simple as that.

I know what you're trying to say, but this line of thinking is flawed. Once something like this is introduced, it becomes standard. Everyone begins to do it that way, due to convenience, and it becomes nigh impossible to find groups the "normal" way. I still have my WoW account active, and I play it sometimes, but I pretty much switched to FFXIV because of how horrible WoW has become. I love my guildmates, but even they tend to do content finder before trying to make a guild group, because it's easier and it gets them rewards faster. Just about every guild I see handles things the same way. All anyone cares about is how quickly they can get the next best piece of gear, so they can wear it while dancing on a mailbox, and they will do ANYTHING in order to get it. This usually includes fighting with people from the moment they enter a randomly assigned dungeon, if they choose to talk at all.

There are some things WoW does right, and I think FFXIV should pick up on those. Mostly in the area of the UI, questing, and a few other things. I'd like to hope that everything else that makes FF what it is will stay, such as attunements, the necessity to work well with others, and the slower pace. Part of what has ruined WoW is the spastic speed at which everything occurs. It ramps people up and makes them not only aggressive, but they expect everything to be handed to them instantly. Add-ons are another issue, and I really hope nothing like Deadly Boss Mods or DPS counters are allowed. That will create even more aggressive behavior and put the devs on a path to making content more and more convoluted.

If they are reading this, I hope they are able to learn from WoW, both by what Blizzard has done well and what they have screwed up. A 100% WoW clone would be a disaster.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I know everyone is afraid of all these potential issues & linkshells becoming obsolete. The community becoming jackasses etc.
(tl;dr, see bottom of post)


The truth however is you still WANT a linkshell. Just cause you can queue up, doesn't mean you have to be solo (ideally).
Maybe you get in a party with 6/8 of your linkshell (because for some reason those 2 people can't make it today) & queue together.

Linkshell/Free-Companies will have there own benefits anyway. Also, Having a core LS to do the hard-mode content will always appeal over a random search for endgame content.
If it's not an event day & you're bored, you can still do content as well.
(this shouldn't even phase linkshells or hardcore players at all)



Now anyone can login & queue up for leveling, dungeons, raids, PvP (etc) without the game becoming a stagnant town-snooze amidst mindless crafters & troll shouting (hello Port Jeuno).

Overall, this will be great for casuals & easy to enjoy the game. Just like how the casuals whined at us for PLing & we told them they don't have to use it, well...


Content finder appeals to the instanced dungeon/raid/PvP model. It's applicable in those areas & complements it. When the game content becomes only that, then you should be worried (let's not turn the game into Vinductus).

There's still the open world too. Where content finder might not work or be limited to just the server you're on.



Assuming SE can even implement content finder correctly. For all we know, they'll half-ass it as usual & it'll be a clunky mess that no one will use.

We're ahead of ourselves anyway. This system won't be out until sometime after 2.0. Best to check back then.





tl;dr
Content Finder won't obsolete Linkshells or Free Company's
We still need good groups for challenging content & friends.
Will help stop the boring AFK in town.
Great for Casuals & anyone looking to just play (esp. to learn content).
Similar to telling people they don't HAVE to PL to 50, we don't have to queue up
We have an Open World. Instances aren't the entire game.
Complain if the devs make the entire RELEVANT endgame only this.
This won't be until after 2.0, check back later.

[Rousseau]

We really should be having this discussion now, while they are still working on the 2.0 client. If we don't let Yoshi-P know what we think, he can't even consider our suggestions.

MMOs are nothing new, and we have a lot of evidence to look at in terms of their sociology. It is important to learn from the past, and take it seriously, so that we do not repeat the same mistakes in the future.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

We really should be having this discussion now, while they are still working on the 2.0 client. If we don't let Yoshi-P know what we think, he can't even consider our suggestions.

MMOs are nothing new, and we have a lot of evidence to look at in terms of their sociology. It is important to learn from the past, and take it seriously, so that we do not repeat the same mistakes in the future.

^Agree. They really should work their SE magic to make this similar to other MMO's while not focusing all relevant content around this. Dare i even suggest adding fatigue or linking CF to Anima?




Also as of now, people don't even talk (not really). You see everyone off doing their own thing, solo (which is what so many people are saying will happen if they add this, so its the same thing either way).

The most active is usually during events, in teamspeak/ventrillo especially. Which is good, but on those off days where hardly anything is going on, it would be nice to just queue up & go do something fun.