SWING and a MISS!... {Can I have it?}

[Reaujien]

I can't think of a time when I missed a melee auto-attack and/or WS while in an 8-player group. (Heck, I can't even think of any other FF game that I've played where I never missed in a group setting, or at least had a 99.999999999 ..... 9999999% accuracy rating). Bonuses in general are okay, especially if you have to work for them, but for a while now it's felt like the accuracy bonus in large parties is a bit OP (of course, there's really no "work" required to obtain it, besides "/pcmd add [name]" x7... *whew* that was hard...). Anyway, I digress...

I'm wondering what Matsui's views (or even Yoshi's too I suppose) are on the accuracy bonus given to 8-player parties, and if he thinks that it should take an act of The Twelve (RP for ya - see what I did thar?!) to miss an auto-attack and/or WS. I mean, heck, mages still get resisted regardless of what size party they're in, so why are melee not subjected to the occasional *WIFF*?

Perhaps it's not so much the party buff, but maybe the mobs' themselves need to be altered (e.g., more evasion, etc.). Although when I think about playing solo I remember that I miss every now and then (which, to me, feels okay/reasonable), and so simply increasing mobs' evasion (or some other stat/attr/whatever) would make me miss even more if I weren't in a party receiving the accuracy buff. Hmmm, maybe, then, just "dumb down" the accuracy buff during 8-man "instanced" content? Or, buff up the mobs' evasion (or w/e) during "instanced" content? Heck, I don't know... o.O

So yeah, it would be nice to know what Matsui's and/or Yoshi's views/thoughts/ideas/whatever are on physical accuracy - especially for end-game-ish type content. Rukkirii? Bayohne? Can you hook an Elezen up, and run this by one of them? Thaaaaaanks~

Edit: And yes, of course by "melee" I do mean ranged too - woops~

[Skies]

You mean that when you play solo you miss every single goddamn time yes?
Sorry, that might have been a bit bitchy but I do remember missing far too often for my likes when solo and being so disappointed that Hawk Eyes don't last like a whole minute Oh well

[Lynde]

Well since "Battle Skill" doesnt exist in FFXIV as it did in XI, it might be harder to implement in the sense of battle mechanics code. Though the base accuracy on weapons might be a factor as well to make up for the absense of the "skill". As far as I remember, no weapon in XI had a base "accuracy" stat (added stats don't count), though some did miss more than others (Dark Knights I'm lookin' at you....)

[leomike35]

Well frankly missing makes no sense to me anyway especially when the mob is so damn big that there is no possible way we should ever miss unless hit with blind.

Nothing worse than missing a ws that cost 3k tp talk about a big let down lol.

[Mychael]

Well since "Battle Skill" doesnt exist in FFXIV as it did in XI, it might be harder to implement in the sense of battle mechanics code. Though the base accuracy on weapons might be a factor as well to make up for the absense of the "skill". As far as I remember, no weapon in XI had a base "accuracy" stat (added stats don't count), though some did miss more than others (Dark Knights I'm lookin' at you....)

Battle skills made your accuracy differ from mine; that's not necessarily what (I think) the OP was going for. Everyone could continue to have equal accuracy, but it could be less than 99.9%

Well frankly missing makes no sense to me anyway especially when the mob is so damn big that there is no possible way we should ever miss unless hit with blind.

Nothing worse than missing a ws that cost 3k tp talk about a big let down lol.

1) What WS costs 3k tp? What combo takes 3k? And it's not like building TP takes long anyway.

2) I don't think the OP wants 50% accuracy or anything, but right now accuracy on melee jobs seems almost 100% when under the effect of Strength in Numbers (or even Comradery, depending on what you're fighting).

3)Missing isn't necessarily "striking the air beside the target." Maybe your sword slips just a little and you hit with the flat instead of the edge? It's makes sense--to me, anyway.

[Soukyuu]

You mean that when you play solo you miss every single goddamn time yes?
Sorry, that might have been a bit bitchy but I do remember missing far too often for my likes when solo and being so disappointed that Hawk Eyes don't last like a whole minute Oh well

God, THIS!

I think that change came with 1.20, they basically made soloing annoying as hell and full party a cakewalk. What they should do (imho) is increase hit accuracy for solo and decrease it for full parties, so that accuracy accessories are actually of some use. As it stands now, they are useless since even with 4 acc rings equipped i miss like crazy soloing and don't need even one in a full party.

[Eagleheart]

Hello!

I am also curious as to the direction Dev Team has gone with accuracy in a party. In 1.21 it has increased significantly.

Accuracy materia and equipment is essentially useless with an innate +20% accuracy bonus in a full party. A guaranteed hit rate also renders Lancer's Feint combo useless.

Is it possible that Dev Team will reconsider the tremendous accuracy bonus for party play? A smaller bonus would be good, I think. Maybe 2-4% but certainly not something that absolutely guarantees a hit. ._.

[Shiggysonson]

I agree. I did see the dragoon miss a few hits of his chaos thrust in that Cutter's Cry video so I hope we'll see a drop in accuracy.

[Mychael]

Don't worry guys.

We'll be missing all the time now.

With our DOUBLE ACCURACY BONUS...

[dev1317] The accuracy bonus gained when using Comradery has been increased from 5 to 10 percent. The accuracy bonus gained when using Strength in Numbers has been increased from 10 to 20 percent.

[Eagleheart]

I agree. I did see the dragoon miss a few hits of his chaos thrust in that Cutter's Cry video so I hope we'll see a drop in accuracy.

That is good, then. I was also going to say that a perfect hit rate would render BRD's accuracy song useless.

On a completely random note, I am so excited after reading the patch notes, I can hardly contain myself. @_@ I want to play!!