Thread: So What is Elidibus Planning (4.56 Spoilers)

So what do you all think Elidibus is up to? He says he has to kill you to maintain balance but why? Is the source at risk of a flood of light?

Before it was revealed we were going to the first I honestly thought the flood of light was coming to the Source so it made more sense but now I can't make sense of Elidibus' motivation. Wouldn't he want us to restore balance to the first so it can be rejoined and isn't lost?

Solus just seems to be working towards another calamity on the Source as per usual so his motivations make sense but I'm confused by Elidibus.

It's been suggested periodically since Elidibus first appeared that the WoL's continued actions and growth would tip the balance too far toward the Light, and suggested for most of the StB patch cycle that there's an incoming Calamity and that there's excessive Light on the Source. His primary goal is maintaining the Source's balance, and for almost 6 years we've rebuffed his requests to listen and stopped his plans that would tip the scale back. The possible Flood is only getting closer, which means Elidibus is desperate to stop it at this point.

Originally Posted by Cirdan-Faust

So what do you all think Elidibus is up to?

Nefarious things.

Originally Posted by Cirdan-Faust

He says he has to kill you to maintain balance but why?

I suppose we're an incalculable factor.

Elidibus can make all the plans he wants, put into place all these specific events that will a series of specific repercussions like some grand Rube Goldberg machine.

But then we show up and mess everything up in a way that he could never predict. Even if he tries to factor in what we do, we show up with some new thing that he could never foresee and screw his plan up.

Originally Posted by Cirdan-Faust

Is the source at risk of a flood of light?

Quite possibly.

It was hinted at by Arbert that merely quelling primal threats inevitably leads to a flood of light (As that's what happened on the First).

In addition, we also have some hints that the flooding of light on the First is actually affecting the Source (Though, I'm unsure of if there was ever a noted period of the Thirteenth having an affect on the Source during its flood of darkness)

Of course, Ascian intervention as well as things like Varis' decision to develop and utilize Black Rose are ways to bring the levels of light down. So it's not particularly certain about how much risk there is of the source being flooded (Unless we stop Varis before Black Rose can be used, but given that we believe it's been shut down and all of the commanders in Gyr Abania are all talking about how they're trying to keep all of their soldiers conveniently at the frontline in nice big clustered groups suggests this won't be the case)

Originally Posted by Cirdan-Faust

Before it was revealed we were going to the first I honestly thought the flood of light was coming to the Source so it made more sense but now I can't make sense of Elidibus' motivation. Wouldn't he want us to restore balance to the first so it can be rejoined and isn't lost?

Well, I don't think that a flood necessarily prevents the ascians plan. Otherwise they'd have stopped the flood on the Thirteenth. One more shard that is lost this way seems to be just one less shard they need to rejoin.

That, and as far as Elidibus is concerned, we have no way of travelling to the First. Aside from forgoing our mortal bodies and becoming Ascian ourselves (Though, I'm not 100% sure if this can be done ourselves, or if like with Arbert and the WoD, we'd need the guidance of an Ascian or the knowledge they used in the first place, in order to do so)

There is a lot of hints and suggestions that the Source is at risk of a Flood of Light. Solas makes a comment on it, Mr Enigma outright says that if we win that is what will happen (which makes sense from what we have heard from Albert) and Elidibus says we have to die to redress the balance. I suspect the thinning Aether is a sign of it as well.

The First has already suffered a Flood of Light though something has stopped it from finishing off the small part that remains. The key for us is that it is on the First that we can learn how to stop a Flood of Light happening which is probably why we become the Warrior of Darkness. The interesting thing is we have Minfilia around as well and as an ally which means we have a representative of the Light and a rep of the Darkness working together. This is how I think we will be able to defeat the Ascians. We will basically steal their role out from under them and usurp their position thus making their involvement no longer necessary.

The curious thing will be how Zodiark works into all this since we are likely going to have to deal with him directly soon.

Originally Posted by Belhi

Mr Enigma outright says that if we win [there will be a Flood of Light]

Even though it's true that he's said we're at risk of causing a Flood of Light if we keep beating Elidibus, that's only half of what he said. "Win or lose, your path leads only to oblivion" - so even if it's dangerous for us to keep beating him, it's not going to be any better if he wins.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Even though it's true that he's said we're at risk of causing a Flood of Light if we keep beating Elidibus, that's only half of what he said. "Win or lose, your path leads only to oblivion" - so even if it's dangerous for us to keep beating him, it's not going to be any better if he wins.

I mean, technically, he didn't outright say we'd cause a Flood of Light. It was merely heavily implied.

"Win or lose, your path leads only to oblivion" doesn't necessarily mean "Flood of Light" - Oblivion can mean many things.

For example, I do believe that the "Lose" path is in fact referring to a Calamity. Given that we know that Calamities are caused by the sudden change of light/dark (I still want to know exactly what light and dark are referring to... Is it aspected Aether? Is one low-fat Aether and the other some form of rich Aether? Is Hydaelyn going to at some point remove a mask and be like "Behold, it was me, the Milky Bar Kid all along! I've finally rid the chocolate of all 14 worlds of cocoa beans! Muhahahaha!"?)

The current situation is a high amount of Light, or at least, higher than normal amount. Thus meaning that there is potential for a sudden surge of darkness to then plunge the Source into a Calamity. For example, Black Rose. The death of the Warrior of Light. The sudden expansion of the Garlean Empire retaking control of lost provinces as well as acquiring new ones. Another hail Mary Primal summoning such as Seiryu born from a negative emotion to cause nothing but suffering and death (For example, if someone summoned another shade of Nidhogg)

Continuing on the conversation after the comments above....I wonder how we will be viewed as by Elidibus once we return from the First. That is... If he's still alive. He has both Gaius and Elezenos after him with Gaius capable of killing Ascians somehow and Zenos having the Echo would probably be capable as well.

I'm still of the idea that Elidubus has a part of Zodiark in himself, or he's like a fragment of zodiark, but we'll see.
If Minfilia and Zodiark are the same and Minfilia allegedly has a deep connection to Hydaelyn I think we can assume that Elidubus has the same connection.
Both probably are a vessel in the end





and both shall submit to our Divine rule. For the only one suited to rule...is US!

Originally Posted by Remedi

I'm still of the idea that Elidubus has a part of Zodiark in himself, or he's like a fragment of zodiark, but we'll see.
If Minfilia and Zodiark are the same and Minfilia allegedly has a deep connection to Hydaelyn I think we can assume that Elidubus has the same connection.
Both probably are a vessel in the end





and both shall submit to our Divine rule. For the only one suited to rule...is US!

I kinda agree. He says he is the Emissary of Zodiark anyway,and Minfilia is acting as Hydaelyns Emissary tho i dont believe Minfilia IS Hydaelyn. Just Hydaelyn possesing her to talk