Warrior Rework Idea

[Cabalabob]

Probably because role actions are boring at best and superfluous at worst.

Like, many role actions are literally useless (Break, Drain, Goad, Surecast, Foot Graze, Leg Graze, Arm Graze), or incredibly niche (Convalescence, Awareness, Arm's Length, Crutch, Eye for an Eye, Rescue, Mana Shift, Apocatastasis, Palisade, Erase, Feint, Addle).

With some actions seemingly only existing to create ability bloat (Protect, Peloton, Cleric Stance - Literally all 3 could just be passive effects)

There are very few Role Actions that are actually meaningful. Thus, with such few meaningful Role Actions, why not make new animations for the same basic tools? Or fit them in with the already existing Job actions that are completely useless anyway?

Except you’re not suggesting remove role actions altogether or remove useless role actions, you’re suggesting remove useful ones and add them back in again for every tank job.

Why not do this? Waste of development time, the time they spend making another rampart and convalescence clone for every new tank job with its own name and animation could have gone into a new unique skill. That’s the whole point of these moves being role actions.

Same goes for your idea for anticipation and provoke. What it boils down to is remove it and give every job their own version. You also wouldn’t want to attach provoke to a tanks only ranged attack skill, that won’t end well.

I also question how much endgame you’ve done based on the role actions you consider niche. Like you don’t even need to be talking savage, even ex primals see use out of most of those skills like convalescence, awareness, surecast, arm’s length, feint/addle, MANA SHIFT (?!?!).

I won’t bother getting into the “useless” ones but I’d say they are the more niche moves. It’s more that the way the game is designed invalidates them most of the time more than anything.

[Kalise]

Except you’re not suggesting remove role actions altogether or remove useless role actions, you’re suggesting remove useful ones and add them back in again for every tank job.

Actually I am suggesting removing useless ones. That's the whole idea about only keeping the useful ones (By adding them back into the normal kits of jobs so that the Role Action section no longer exists)

Why not do this? Waste of development time, the time they spend making another rampart and convalescence clone for every new tank job with its own name and animation could have gone into a new unique skill. That’s the whole point of these moves being role actions.

At the same time, one might have to consider how they're going to have to spend time messing with Role Actions anyway (Since, Invigorate, Goad and Tactician are becoming useless with the removal of TP) to say nothing about the unique skills they already had before they decided to replace them with default ones that use a single generic animation (Based on a specific class's prior skill...)

Or should we just do all development cutting and give everyone more generic actions?

Tanks no longer have unique combos, instead their Enmity and DPS combos are now role actions.
Healers have their smol heal, large heal, AoE heal, instant heal + regen/shield as role action.
Healers have their DoT and nuke as role action.
Mages have their first level nuke as role action.
mDPS have their combos as role action.

Since it's a waste of development time to create job specific versions of these right?

I also question how much endgame you’ve done based on the role actions you consider niche. Like you don’t even need to be talking savage, even ex primals see use out of most of those skills like convalescence, awareness, surecast, arm’s length, feint/addle, MANA SHIFT (?!?!).

Convalescence is mostly redundant outside of Critlo fishing because healers already have enough throughput to massively heal Tanks up with their oGCD rotations.

Awareness is a minor mitigation bonus against AA's (Which aren't really a big deal) outside of specific encounters where bosses gain critical rate buffs (The only one I can remember off the top of my head is Shiva)

Surecast/Arm's Length are only useful when a boss does a knockback/pull and are otherwise useless. Given that knockback/pulls aren't a constantly used mechanic, they're niche.

Feint/Addle are niche because they rely on specific damage types for them to work. A boss doesn't do physical damage with its strong skill? Feint is useless. Vice versa.

Mana Shift is niche because the number of times when a mage can actually sacrifice their MP is very limited. Usually coming down to the most accessible usage of Mana Shift being on a BLM during their UI phase (In which they only want to spend 2 GCD's in). RDM already only thrives off of Lucid CD's and has potential Verraise MP to keep. SMN has some more flexibility due to Aetherflow, though again it depends on how many Raises they need to use.

It’s more that the way the game is designed invalidates them most of the time more than anything.

But... Why have them if the game is designed in a way that invalidates them?

What does the existence of "Role Actions" actually serve? Especially during this post "Every Role Action Can Be Equipped" change (Where before, you had to actually make a choice of which 5 actions where the most useful for the upcoming engagement)