Limit Break too Limiting

[Shadowbringer]

Ok... you enticed me back into the conversation.

So to clarify. You were speed running with a group of toxic people who won't LB bc it's a DPS loss? Or are you suggesting that using LB can actually make a fight shorter and therefore increase everyone's DPS?

Basically the point I've been arguing from the beginning. That logs do not encourage people to not use LB. That it isn't as black and white of an issue as you are making out.
But clearly logs were incentivizing you to not use LB.

Edit: This is legitimately the last I will say on the matter though as you are now brandishing your logs as a weapon and becoming insulting.

I mean, i wouldnt bring up my logs if you didnt look down on me and questions "if i ever raid", so i kinda have to shoot that back to you and ask how fair you are.
For me, i dont speed run outside of my group, since its not worth the time you going to spend on PF to get a good logs.

But FFlogs encourage people to NOT LB because they lost self DPS, is what i see from my experience.
LB at the right time will always make the fight faster, but the person that LB always lose slightly dps.
I cleared Final Omega for 24 times now since Echo(only count Echo logs), and my Warrior(which is not even my main class) get 92 percentile easily from PF but it could be 95 you know if someone would LB, we might even be able to skip 2nd Archive All, you know... (its not even Uptime strat or logs run / nor anyone cares about logs anymore after Echo)
In short it could be faster if someone (melee)LB, but no "my deeps"

Edit : if you ask why am i running it again for 24 times, i just getting a book for Gunbreaker/Dancer because i cant get a coffer(2 weapons and in case Dancer have an exclusive armor, which i doubt it)

[WaterShield]

I mean, i wouldnt bring up my logs if you didnt look down on me and questions "if i ever raid", so i kinda have to shoot that back to you and ask how fair you are.
For me, i dont speed run outside of my group, since its not worth the time you going to spend on PF to get a good logs.

But FFlogs encourage people to NOT LB because they lost self DPS, is what i see from my experience.
LB at the right time will always make the fight faster, but the person that LB always lose slightly dps.
I cleared Final Omega for 24 times now since Echo(only count Echo logs), and my Warrior(which is not even my main class) get 92 percentile easily from PF but it could be 95 you know if someone would LB, we might even be able to skip 2nd Archive All, you know... (its not even Uptime strat or logs run / nor anyone cares about logs anymore after Echo)
In short it could be faster if someone (melee)LB, but no "my deeps"

Edit : if you ask why am i running it again for 24 times, i just getting a book for Gunbreaker/Dancer because i cant get a coffer(2 weapons and in case Dancer have an exclusive armor, which i doubt it)

Clearly you and I couldn't have had any more different experiences in Savage then. I have seen people use logs as a reason to improve and down boss quicker. You seem to be seeing it as only bringing problems. We will not see eye to eye on the matter.

I apologize if you thought I was insulting you when I asked if you even raided. I was legitimately considering that as a reason we couldn't understand each other. I have become more and more frustrated talking to you about this as I do not understand your point of view, and likely never will. If you truly aren't taking up your stance solely to be antagonistic, I have no further reason to speak to you about this as again. We clearly will not be changing the other persons views.

Edit: Also taking this any further would derail the topic even further. Please understand.

[Shadowbringer]

Clearly you and I couldn't have had any more different experiences in Savage then. I have seen people use logs as a reason to improve and down boss quicker. You seem to be seeing it as only bringing problems. We will not see eye to eye on the matter.

- "Self improve" by bragging i have 95 percentile+ because i didnt touch LB a single time is not self improve, that is selfishness on another level.

- Not LB boss at all doesnt make the fight faster in anyway.

- It is a problem when 90% of the dps players refuse to LB because they complain about their own FFlogs.

EDIT : Its about LB, no matters how good Square Enix fix it, if its not going to be use then its futile, "because i lost my own dps reason and FFlogs is the main reason for "im not going to use LB"".