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    Player
    Necrodamus's Avatar
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    Necrodamus Cloudrider
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    Moogle
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    Arcanist Lv 90

    Dark Knight Direct Hit

    I come back after a year break, im not doing end game stuff but i try to have a decent set of armour & weapon.

    I look some guides for melds and all say DH->CRIT.

    Now i dont know if is a ACT(parser) bug or what but always showme 0% Direct hits everytime i play DRK, is like DRK have 0 attacks with direct hit.

    When i use any dps job, direct hit % go fro 10-50% depend on equip lvl etc.

    So anyone know what happend here, is DH useless for DRK or is just a bug on how ACT get data?
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    DH works as intented and is still a mandatory stat for DRK to have.

    Other thing I don't recommend you post for ACT help in the official forum in the future since the tool is against the t.o.s
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    Juke Fm
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    Behemoth
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    it ain't against tos
    only if it's causing harrassment griefing and etc. It's a tool that helps but it can also be exploited for the reasons above
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    only if it's causing harrassment griefing and etc. It's a tool that helps but it can also be exploited for the reasons above
    the tool is against the ToS in every form, but is the grey area of you don't tell we dont care that make it still around, and you primary get banned by using it for harassment and similar things, so technically ppl are not allowed to make threats of how to get help about it since 3º party tools are still not suported.
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    Rael Levynfang
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    The DH thing is kind of overrated to me personally. I made a post about this some months back asking if DH was really needed to play proficiently and most people preferred CRIT for DRK. This actually inspired me to try and do my own build and with DET>TEN>CRIT>SkS and I really enjoy it. I haven't done the math but I've seen some posts and have been told that a high DET stat isn't that much different than having a a lot of CRIT.

    Decent survivorability, easy for the healer to heal and constant heavy hits due to the DET and TEN compared to having to wait for a CRIT attack to trigger...Is what it seems like at least. I'm not sure how correct this is but I like it and it's something different from the standard "go with this build or you suck" criteria.

    My thing has always been that keep in mind, big numbers are always good but DRK is still a Tank not a DPS.
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    Phoenicia's Avatar
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    Naomi Enami
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    The DH thing is kind of overrated to me personally. I made a post about this some months back asking if DH was really needed to play proficiently and most people preferred CRIT for DRK. This actually inspired me to try and do my own build and with DET>TEN>CRIT>SkS and I really enjoy it. I haven't done the math but I've seen some posts and have been told that a high DET stat isn't that much different than having a a lot of CRIT.

    Decent survivorability, easy for the healer to heal and constant heavy hits due to the DET and TEN compared to having to wait for a CRIT attack to trigger...Is what it seems like at least. I'm not sure how correct this is but I like it and it's something different from the standard "go with this build or you suck" criteria.

    My thing has always been that keep in mind, big numbers are always good but DRK is still a Tank not a DPS.
    Don't listen to this guy please.

    Determination doesn't reduce damage taken at all. And going full on tenacity doesn't add enough mitigation for it to matter (You won't save healer GCDs and you would still use CDs where you have to). So the whole "Decent survivorability" (that's not a word btw) is placebo.

    Also please stop the meme of "still a Tank not a DPS", you're not a punching bag, you are a tank. you're a front-line fighter that is trading blows with the big nasty boss with an equally big and nasty weapon that's bigger than anything the DPS have... Even if it's a compensation thing (for the lower DPS you dirty minded-... you!!). Real tanks carry a cannon that's bigger than anything in the grounded army, no?

    As a tank, you want to deal more damage for: 1- keeping aggro. 2- Bigger damage on self healing abilities = bigger self heals. 3- Dead boss = 0 damage taken. The deader the boss, the better your mitigation is.

    All tanks should go for a desired GCD speed based on playstyle or preferred build. Then max crit. Then where they can't add crit, you add DH unless you're a WAR, where you skip to Determination. Tenacity isn't bad enough to completely avoid, but it's not good enough to prioritize either. This means a piece of crit+tenacity is probably better than a piece with sks+det.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    Decent survivorability, easy for the healer to heal and constant heavy hits due to the DET and TEN compared to having to wait for a CRIT attack to trigger...Is what it seems like at least. I'm not sure how correct this is but I like it and it's something different from the standard "go with this build or you suck" criteria.
    The truth is the difference in other melds (full Ten/Det on Drk) compared to full Crit/DH is actually only a few percent. So generally it will feel fine on anything below Savage. In fact it is fine, duty finder pugs are unreliable and if the 5% mitigation from max Ten saves you occasionally then go for it.

    It's when you min/max that you really notice the difference. At endgame you aren't taxing the healers any more than usual even with full dps melds, but that few percent damage can push an enrage timer you would have missed. I remember I simply couldn't beat the SSS for O12s on a max tenacity 380 Drk, but I could with max crit/dh.
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    Daul Ban
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    Tanks and Healers have no gear that has dhit naturally, you'd need to meld it onto pieces in order to actually dhit.
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    One day I'll be the MT mountain I want to be... But that day is not today. (As of Patch 3.2)

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    Roxanne Steele
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    You need to meld your gear with Direct Hit materia, but that should be your secondary priority.

    Meld priority for Dark Knight is Crit > Direct Hit > Det. If you're sharing the gear with Warrior, you should instead do Crit > Det > Direct Hit.
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    Resa Nome
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 90
    To add, I believe you have to get over a certain threshold (201 DH?) to start actually landing DH attacks or that the chance under this is just so low that you may not see one even in a 30 min parse.
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