Thread: Summoner 5.0 changes - summoning -

Originally Posted by Jandor

Summoner feels fine, mostly, the only thing that feels a little off to me is the trance step. Channeling isn't really Summoning.

I'd replace trance with Demi-Ifrit/Garuda/Titan (changing depending on which egi you have out.) That to me would "feel" perfectly Summoner.

Start with tiny pet and DoTs, go to big summon and burst phase, onward after that to your ultimate summon and even bigger burst phase.

I might be tempted to shift timers and potencies about a bit so you just go 1-2-1-3 on the phases instead of 1-2-1-2-1-3, drop the 2nd repeated trance/potentially mini-demi.

Honestly though, I like Summoner as it is. I'd make tweaks here and there, make some cosmetic changes too, but I don't think it needs a full strip-down and rebuild. Doesn't need a copy of Bards song system with primal skins draped over it either.

I like this idea. I would still want the pet AI to be reworked, but I agree that the current kit isn’t wrong, just clunky. The original summoner was based on a turn based system, which is not happening in 14. So I think we would lose a lot of what makes the class unique. Mobility and utlity being the first. I would always want more summons, but I’m willing to wait :P, but yeah I think the current kit can be streamlined down into something that fits the idea of a classic summoner, while still maintaining our current standards.

Originally Posted by Alacer

I like this idea. I would still want the pet AI to be reworked, but I agree that the current kit isn’t wrong, just clunky. The original summoner was based on a turn based system, which is not happening in 14. So I think we would lose a lot of what makes the class unique. Mobility and utlity being the first. I would always want more summons, but I’m willing to wait :P, but yeah I think the current kit can be streamlined down into something that fits the idea of a classic summoner, while still maintaining our current standards.

Well, to go a little more in-depth. In my revised system, regular egi would function a bit like demi-bahamut does now, he tries to cling to your butt, he auto-attacks what you attack, and you have regular buttons on your regular bars to give orders.

Demi form 1, upgrading your egi, plants it in place. Replaces Dreadwyrm trance, you still get your no cast time for Ruin III bonus. Deathflare replaced with Enkindle II, which orders your pet to use a big signature move (like say Infernal Nail for Ifrit) and then revert to egi form.
The pet button Heel would still exist, as a SMN ability, just in case you need to move your demi to your current location for whatever reason.

Demi form 2, summoning your big ultimate primal, is much the same as demi 1 apart from the summon is Bahamut (or an elder primal glam) and does even bigger damage.

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Only problem is I'm not sure where I'd actually go from there in ShB.
You can't just keep adding stages on top of stages, it makes SMN very punishing if you die, although I suppose depending on how you shift the potency numbers and cooldowns around, 3 stages might be ok.
Maybe access to a long CD that lets you skip a step would help?