Race Issue??

[SILVERx]

So if I got this right, people are pissed because the developers are sticking to the lore that’s been the same for years. And after making the female Viera, who male side keeps themselves forever hidden from the world to solely protect their villages and the Wood, they give us a male race which is reasonable, and people, these whiny little babies, are crying because of a gender lock because of said lore. But hey, it’s not like everyone’s required and must play the new races.

No one for real had this issues in 11, but yet every gets offended and harassed like this is the biggest life threatening thing to ever happen. GROW UP! This suddenly became the Overwatch community with this much toxicity when everyone can choose NOT to play as these new races. It’s not like it 100% mandatory to play a Viera/Hrothgar in Shadowbringers. The developers shouldn’t have to bend over backwards because you wanted this or that or else you all cry.

Maybe these races are for people who actually appreciate the hard work these men and women do to entertain us millions. Maybe like true fans of the series, they would like to stick to lore and not change up what has been going for decades. This is pathetic and stupid to be fussing and going up im arms over something so trivial and for something than NONE of you created/contributed to this game. Yoshi P. and everyone couldn’t have to reboot this game back during 1.0 and could have let it simply be worse game of the year. I, for one, believe the Viera and Hrothgar are an excellent and surprising addition to XIV. Everyone needs to appreciate this game and it’s additions more.

Not everything is going to be the way WE want, even though this game was made for us, for those looking for new fun, new challenges, to save the world, the multiverse, and to crack the next case with a detective. I don’t like Eureka, but I’m not trying to start an uproar about it. Anyone that doesn’t like the new Races or care to try them out, either stick to your old ones or leave this game. There’s no reason to start this.

You all wanted Viera, but HEY KIDS!! Viera is female only by default because Lore says so. Deal with it!

[BillyKaplan]

This debate has taken place several times by now, may I offer you reading materials?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...w-your-support
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...er-locked-race

[Kalise]

So if I got this right, people are pissed because the developers are sticking to the lore that’s been the same for years.

There has been no lore in FFXIV in regards to Viera up until recently.

Since, previous games =/= XIV's lore.

And after making the female Viera, who male side keeps themselves forever hidden from the world to solely protect their villages and the Wood

This is the exact same lore as is actually in the game for XIV's Miqo'te, where the males are incredibly rare to see.

Yet, they still added playable male Miqo'te and they ended up being one of the most popular characters people make.

they give us a male race which is reasonable

Actually, your timeline is backwards.

They initially already planned the Hrothgar (I assume due to them being relevant in ShB story at some point)

Later, they decided to add Female Viera instead of Female Hrothgar because they wanted to make something for 2 different playerbases, one that wanted a new "Beastly" race and one that wanted bunny waifus.

people, these whiny little babies, are crying because of a gender lock because of said lore.

Actually, the gender lock is not due to lore.

It's due to time/resource constraints. Had they the time and resources, they would have implemented male Viera as well as female Hrothgar.

Additionally, they mentioned eventually, that if they get the available time and resources in the future, they might actually still add male Viera and female Hrothgar.

But hey, it’s not like everyone’s required and must play the new races.

Which is not a particularly relevant comment?

Some people have been hoping for male Viera for a while and some were interested in playing a female "Beastly" race.

No one for real had this issues in 11, but yet every gets offended and harassed like this is the biggest life threatening thing to ever happen.

Did SE ever promise to never do genderlocks during 11?

Since they did in 14, back when they released male Miqo'te and female Roe.

GROW UP!

Says the person who made a thread specifically to refer to their fellow players as "Whiny little babies" when they're providing feedback on the official forums that are designed to have players provide feedback.

This suddenly became the Overwatch community with this much toxicity when everyone can choose NOT to play as these new races.

Again, it's not like people are unhappy with the new races, just that they're unhappy that they didn't get the gender of the new race they were hoping for.

Maybe like true fans of the series, they would like to stick to lore and not change up what has been going for decades.

Stick to the lore... That they wrote for XIV only recently.

Also, again, lore isn't the reasoning for the gender locks. Especially when FFX the source of the "Ronso" race that Hrothgar are based on, actually did have plenty of female Ronso.

This is pathetic and stupid to be fussing and going up im arms over something so trivial and for something than NONE of you created/contributed to this game.

Players are unhappy. They have a right to express their feedback.

Some players may be going too far. But it's not only them, some people are making threads specifically to just insult other players

Yoshi P. and everyone couldn’t have to reboot this game back during 1.0 and could have let it simply be worse game of the year. I, for one, believe the Viera and Hrothgar are an excellent and surprising addition to XIV. Everyone needs to appreciate this game and it’s additions more.

You're implying that people don't appreciate the additions to the game just because they have issues with one single aspect of a new addition...

Literally, if SE had decided to release Hrothgar as a full race with both males and females available like they were originally thinking about, there wouldn't have been this issue and they could then for 6.0 release Viera as a full race with both males and females available.

It's the issue of releasing only one gender of both these races that is irking people. Especially those whom don't get the gender of the race they were hoping for.

Not everything is going to be the way WE want

No. But it is often good to make decisions with regard to the people who are paying to play your game in mind.

Especially when the developers have a history of incorporating player feedback. Such as recently with the nerfs to Eureka based on player feedback (As well as male Miqo'te and female Roe way back when, when because of huge amounts of player feedback, they realized that they should introduce these race/gender combos)

There’s no reason to start this.

Except the part where Yoshi does in fact, listen to player feedback.

[NessaWyvern]

So if I got this right, people are pissed because the developers are sticking to the lore that’s been the same for years. And after making the female Viera, who male side keeps themselves forever hidden from the world to solely protect their villages and the Wood, they give us a male race which is reasonable, and people, these whiny little babies, are crying because of a gender lock because of said lore.

Nah people aren't going by the lore only made up this year (FF14), FF12 lore (much older) had them so territorial and dangerous that they lived separately from females. It would have been easy to stick to the FF12 lore and you could just say a Viera male character couldn't get a territory and left to get stronger and look for their own. Like many Tias do in the male miqote sunseeker race, that want to be nunhs .

Nice baiting of players though, although the "GROW UP" bit kinda gave it away.

[Eloah]

wow, just, wow

Okay to start, isn't it a little hypocritical to say all that when you yourself play a female Roe. Admittedly, the two are not mutually exclusive, but your argument hold a tad less weight, since at one point in time "you" were the premise in question.

Additionally, it's not the gender lock itself that is the issue. It's a combination of the gender lock, media manipulation and misleading information, and unintended stereotyping; coupled with the created demand for female Hrothgar that didn't exist before.

[Sclair0]

The reasons given by the development team aren't lore based. Their resource based, and honestly the majority of people have been pretty understanding in regards to this. The worst this discussion gets is "Why did you dedicate those resources to making an animal version of one of the least played races?"

But putting that aside...

The Viera lore isn't exactly a good reason for a genderlock. Female Viera lore is pretty identical (sept female viera give up their family and society to adventure while male viera would give up... Living like a hobo in the woods?), but lets disregard Viera lore for a moment

"There aren't enough Male Viera" This was the same reason for male miqote not being playable...
"Male Viera want to stay in their homeland" this is the same reason given for female highlanders not being playable...
"Male Viera will suffer cultural repercussions if they leave" As do Au Ra of both genders...
And lets not forget the other playable things with lore scarcity, White Mage, Summoner, Red Mage, Warrior...

Theres lore precedent against literally every "lore reason" to not make em playable. Putting aside the fact a playable Male Viera would have the Echo which would probably make them more likely to adventure in general

I really don't get the lore purism that comes up with male Viera... Are people mad Y'shtola isn't spending half her time in a Y tribe harem? Or that a Gridanian raised a Padjal outside of Gridania? Or that Hildabrand survived falling from Dalamud and being buried for literal years? Why only lore purism when it explicitly comes to limiting the options of other people?

[Coszette]

Deal with it!

That's interesting SILVERx, I see your character is a female Roegadyn.

In case you weren't aware, years ago when 1.0 launched there was a thread here on the forums that rallied a lot of attention and support to add the missing genders for Roegadyn, Miqo'te and Highlanders. If they hadn't done so, the character you've chosen to play would probably never have been an option to you.

[Destati]

GROW UP!

Nah.

[Rosentretter]

Another. Of. These. Threads. Jesus. Christ.