Ultima (can blms have it please)

[CelestaRosa]

Blm is getting "Ultima" and suggestions what i think should change
when started this game when started playing black mage what was your reason for picking it. I tell you mine. I cause I wanted to blows things up cause massive explosion unrepresented damage.

Last 2 expansions If found myself not liking blm more and more. answer is simple. way too many cool-downs. and lack good solid and exciting damage opinions is need

Black mage needs something exciting explosively sick. make any final fantasy nerd or blm fan squeal at very thought being able to cast it.if your like me want want see more damage spells on that fire ior ice related. want see ultima on blm and you think would be most exciting thing ever happen to blm then awnser this post

If ultima was ever added to black mage this is expansion in watch they would do it with all time traviel. please squire enix make blm fun again. I want to bring the pain i want wicked and evil smile press one button watch the damage numbers sky rocket. do not want another fire or ice spell or added my rotation. i want more exciting high damage skills.

if anyone brings up lore button. their game they can change it how they see fit anytime in fact shadowbringers is bout time traviel visiting different worlds idea of learning ultima doesn't seem so far off.

I dont want hear its not lore friendly cause we able to visit many different worlds and and time traviel. if the writers of this want ultima they could make it work.

not a blm main in this game would not scream joy if learned they have learned ultima at lvl80 i would

about time blms get a kill button. no reason to over complex blm
BLM be should simple - and completely retard proof - like any other final fantasy game - wait that is monster i cast spell spell does bucket load of damage. high super high numbers of damage. please spare us the rocket science when comes to dps classes

Ultima being Ultima - should be hardiest hitting magic spell in game with highest potency with single spell... potency in 1000-1200 . make it feel like just dropped atomic bomb on a group of monsters that doesn't require you lose all your mp or pop eithers cause the next one

amount of cooldowns and whatever abilities we have on current blackmage feel like playing dps type paladin. watch is naked

[Raldo]

Foul.

I feel like what you're asking for is Foul, but with a different name. It's a big ol' boom.

What would make you happy?
Do you just want the animation to look different? We definitely don't have anything that looks like the classic Ultima explosion.
Do you just want it named "Ultima"? I suspect they avoided this because it's name-dropped in the MSQ, but I think they could get away with letting BLM use a tiny version of it.
Do you just want it to do more damage? Foul is already pretty high in terms of potency.


I could get on board with Foul having an animation that felt like it had more oomph, but otherwise I'm perfectly fine with Foul.

The last part of your post makes it sound like you want a spell that does an absurd chunk of damage. Be careful what you wish for. If they ever actually did that, they'd have to nerf all the rest of BLM's kit (or like, stop you from attacking for a bit after using it) just to balance the game properly.

[Kurando]

Isn't there a lore reason why Ultima isn't a player action in-game? Granted lore is open to being changed, but aside from the special effects I don't think relagating it to an action would do it justice.

[CelestaRosa]

I not saying make it insane. or overpowered what saying is Ultima is beloved black mage spell what it does. how it functions. as a player action. do the spell justice

Foul is good

Ultima is better how what how ultima should function am up for suggestion ppl. in the lore already know as strongiest form of "Black magic"

no reason why they cant learn this skill when cast this spell. you should should have shivers down your spine. cause about of damage your fixing to do is absurd about it does name ultima justice. cant say it isn't desired from black mage community.

damage others spells dont need be reduced.

maybe their can be some form of unique trigger. for you be able to cast. when you do....boom.

[CelestaRosa]

Isn't there a lore reason why Ultima isn't a player action in-game? Granted lore is open to being changed, but aside from the special effects I don't think relagating it to an action would do it justice.

I try explain the lore of "Ultima"... First encounter with Utlima spell was when you fought ultima weapon. this was stored inside artifact in chest of ultima. know as Heart of something this is also known as black magic artifact. utlima is also known as one of the few forbidden magics .when ultima weapon absorbed the primals. then while fighting ultima weapon released those primals. however in years long past Ultima was used by the most powerful of black mages.

now in shadow bringers. we visiting other worlds. even time traveling so far in the past. at very beginning the first world. before Ultima weapon was even created, during this timeline. I strongly believe in the first world. Ultima is a spell that blm could learn.. but its no were as near as powerful as it is in current time line

this day in age that spell wasn't placed inside powerful black mage artifact to fester and grow strong to strong no mortal could cast it. cause heart made it that powerful.

[Orbus]

I never see it happening.
Ultima is, as the name implies, the ultimate magic.
It's above meteor, and meteor is our lv3 limit break.

So unless they create 16 person parties in ShB and create a new limit break tier with it, which they're not going to do, I really can't see any reason they would let BLM cast it.

I also can't see a reason why the WoL/WoD would want to cast it considering the immeasurable destruction it would cause.
Sure the one Ultima Weapon uses is a supped up version, but the WoL/D is basically a living, walking aether nuke at this point.

Plus summoners would be jelly AF.

[Kabooa]

Plus summoners would be jelly AF.

Well, I'm convinced. Give it to me.

[Leidiriv]

First off, the Heart of Sabik, which was what allowed the Ultima Weapon to cast the titular Ultima magick, is not an artifact of Mhach (the civilization which birthed Black Mages). It predates even the Allagan Empire, for that matter. As such, in FF14's universe, the Ultima magick bears no relation to the practice of Mhachi Black Magic, which is the discipline player Black Mages follow. In addition, the Ultima magick itself proved devastating enough to Hydaelyn herself that she couldn't shield us from a second cast of it. Wielding such raw power at the frequency with which Black Mages tend to do such things at would likely mean the end of the world over the course of two minutes. All this is, of course, a very roundabout way of saying that BLM is never getting Ultima, because it would contradict pretty much everything previously written about FF14's universe. Also, Shadowbringers has nothing to do with time travel, no clue where you got that. We're traveling to a different Shard, that's all.

[Iscah]

Last 2 expansions If found myself not liking blm more and more. answer is simple. way too many cool-downs. and lack good solid and exciting damage opinions is need

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Ultima being Ultima - should be hardiest hitting magic spell in game with highest potency with single spell... potency in 1000-1200 . make it feel like just dropped atomic bomb on a group of monsters that doesn't require you lose all your mp or pop eithers cause the next one

Are you trying to ask for a spell that does 1000+ damage and doesn't have a cooldown timer? That you can just cast as many times as you like? Because the game isn't going to let you do that without some kind of other penalty or "slowdown mechanism".

You already have Flare. It costs all your MP. And then Foul, which requires you to keep your fire/ice state running.

It's not freely usable, because that would remove the point of it.

You build up to it, and you finally get to unleash that "exciting high-damage skill" at a critical point.

If you could use your high-damage skill every turn, it wouldn't be high-damage any more, it would just be your normal damage output - and everyone else would be set to a similar power level.

Plus summoners would be jelly AF.

Who needs to be jealous? We have Deathflare already. It's prettymuch a Mini-Ultima (blue glowing beam explosion) and we get to cast it once a minute.

For the record: AoE damage, 400 on the first enemy and varying down to 200, and you need to have built up your gauge and be in Dreadwyrm Trance (reliant on 1-minute-cooldown aetherflow skill) to use it.

Also, Shadowbringers has nothing to do with time travel, no clue where you got that. We're traveling to a different Shard, that's all.

We can't be sure of that.

- The 'tagline' at the end of 4.56 mentions travelling across "time and space" - though it's worth pointing out that Minfilia uses this phrase both times we meet her in the Aetherial Sea, which doesn't clearly involve time travel.

- In the trailer voiceover, the Enigmatic Figure says "how many years have come and gone? How many years have I waited for [you]?"

- given who the Enigmatic Figure actually is (or highly resembles), there would probably need to be a larger time-gap between the last time we saw him, and his current state, than whatever "real time" has passed in the game since then.

- In the Fanfest keynote, Yoshida highlighted the fact that there seems to be something odd about the Crystal Tower, time-wise - that an identical copy is present in the First despite being allegedly built 7000 years after the shards were split from the Source. And a slide in another presentation (I only saw it posted here, so not sure of the exact context) where they'd deliberately hidden parts of the text about how old it was.

This could be time OR space acting strangely, but it doesn't rule out time travel.

[Friske]

I enjoyed your post so much OP. Yes I'll also agree with an Ultima spell! It absolutely fits the fantasy and you're bang on correct with the perception of blm. For me, it doesn't exactly have to be called Ultima, it just has to feel like a powerful, signature spell that transcends foul. If it has callbacks to previous FF games, then that's even better. Anything that builds up to that fantasy, like a crazy spell animation, a unique staff casting animation, fat potencies or mechanics you'll have to go through will benefit it greatly. Currently Blm mostly spams fire4, with foul every 30 or so seconds. Imagine if an Ultima-like spell could be used every 2 or 3 mins? And a unique, new Blm mechanic could tie into how it's able to be cast.
In fact, it'd be so powerful that it can't even be swift/triple casted, but to compensate, it gives you a brief 3 second immunity to damage. If so then that would definitely perk up a wizard's hat.