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Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
Regarding "power levels"

It's nowhere near as simple as you make out.
First, Zenos was a man with a pseudo-Echo, so maybe comparable to us, and he had the power of a primal, Shinryu. But the WoL is experienced in defeating primals, that's exactly what we do.
Elidizenos is not the same. he's an Ascian, and he has Zenos's body. Defeating a Ascian is much harder than defeating a Primal, it's taken very specific circumstances, and immence amounts of aether, to kill an Ascian, and this is apparently the top Ascian, stronger than all of the others.

Then we account for the fact that we didn't defeat Zenos one-on-one the first time, it was a group effort.
Then we add in the fact that we're currently weakened by the fact that we're periodically being called to another plain of existence.
He has Zenos body without the primal thus the body itself should be weaker. Elidibus is also an emissary so we dont really know if he is that powerful or not but we also dont know if they keep most of their power if they take over a host. He did use some Ascian attack but I am not sure if that makes him more powerful.

We also defeated Prime Middy and Omega, both are not primals. Zenos being a group effort depends on if you see the gameplay mechanic on having a group of strangers with you as canon or not. Honestly why would the old Zenos even be happy to be our enemy if we just defeated him with 7 other people? That does not sound great at all.

In the end on one hand we got weaker through the calling and seemingly Elidzenos cheated death. So why would we need the other scions? We would only need something to keep him from getting back up (maybe something to throw him out of that body) and we should have no problem. Yet Tataru makes it sound like we would not even be able to do that alone.

It just feels like a very bad reason to leave the world behind and to go to the shard.