Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.56

Originally Posted by Iscah

Something that has clicked about the patch MSQ as a whole....

It's called "A Requiem for Heroes", and nobody died.

I think that title, as much as anything, is what built up an expectation that it was going to 'end badly' - waiting to see who we'd be mourning, because there was clearly going to be someone dying.

"Clearly", except they didn't.

In fact we've got the lowest (known-character) body count out of any finale so far.


I wonder if the final product drifted a long way from what was originally planned for this segment of the story, but they didn't think to change the title. Maybe it was going to end with us in a more dire situatuion - but then they thought "wait, we can't leave the player like this for the next three months..."

There's also the cinematic, with one of Yugiri's Yoshimitsus battered and embedded in the ground.

As soon as she started to leap in and Elidibus charged up a Spark, I was expecting a closeup of them falling tip-first into the foreground while her lifeless body landed behind them. I'd love to know if they initially planned for her to die, or if it was always going to be a fakeout like Y'shtola getting cut down in the Revolutions video.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Something that has clicked about the patch MSQ as a whole....

Good point...

If nothing else they could have done a cop-out and reminded us of all the allies we'd lost up to this point, Ishgard was even the perfect place for that...

Rather than send us to the Rising Stones after we're dumped out in Ishgard, have Edmont remind us to go visit a friend first... Slap in a flash back cutscene of various losses, end with a flash of Mr Enigma to set him up as, perhaps not an antagonist, but someone we're (or at least Fray) not to happy with... Then we walk away with a determined, but angry expression... Not smiling...

A smile better suits a hero... Hows that for a requiem?

Ideally though, I want "A Requiem for Heroes" to be an indication that perhaps there are no heroes in war... So far though this doesn't even feel like a war, and what we do have is incredibly black and white... Characters like Maxima just happily defecting doesn't help matters there, nor does Black Rose... My only hope is that perhaps Solus doesn't intend for Garlemald to use Black Rose at all, and when we finally return we do so to heroes who aren't quite as spotless as when we left them... I'm really not sure I can see this game going for that dark a route though... And still, that's 5.0, not 4.5, but maybe "A Prelude to a Requiem for Heroes" was too much of a mouthful...

Now that I think on it... Mr Enigma really is being handled quite poorly... He first calls and takes Thancred, then days layer we get a trailer with Thancred showing off Gunbreaker, so goodbye any dramatic tension there... Now we finally meet this guy and our options are; "Who are you?" and "No! Send me back! My head is about to be forcibly removed from my body!". This guy is playing fast and loose with peoples souls and we're not the slightest bit mad about that? I really hope becoming the Warrior of Darkness means we get to go Fray levels of abuse on some of these characters...

Originally Posted by Nalien

Good point...

If nothing else they could have done a cop-out and reminded us of all the allies we'd lost up to this point, Ishgard was even the perfect place for that...

Rather than send us to the Rising Stones after we're dumped out in Ishgard, have Edmont remind us to go visit a friend first... Slap in a flash back cutscene of various losses, end with a flash of Mr Enigma to set him up as, perhaps not an antagonist, but someone we're (or at least Fray) not to happy with... Then we walk away with a determined, but angry expression... Not smiling...

A smile better suits a hero... Hows that for a requiem?

Ideally though, I want "A Requiem for Heroes" to be an indication that perhaps there are no heroes in war... So far though this doesn't even feel like a war, and what we do have is incredibly black and white... Characters like Maxima just happily defecting doesn't help matters there, nor does Black Rose... My only hope is that perhaps Solus doesn't intend for Garlemald to use Black Rose at all, and when we finally return we do so to heroes who aren't quite as spotless as when we left them... I'm really not sure I can see this game going for that dark a route though... And still, that's 5.0, not 4.5, but maybe "A Prelude to a Requiem for Heroes" was too much of a mouthful...

Dumb joke, 10 chars

Prelude in Violet to a Prelude for a Requiem for Heroes.

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Regarding the scenario fight...

Was the tuning really that tight for melee dps? A friend of mind said he couldn't do it on nin and had to swap to sam, despite having similar gear for both jobs. Personally as a paladin in sword oath I didn't have any trouble killing all three. I wonder if part of it's a gear thing if people didn't do Alphascape/Orbonne etc?

Did it as a WHM with 0 issue so DPS is not tight.

More MSQ thoughts:

Thinking about it a little more, what if the anticlimax this time around is the point? War is terrible (but ultimately necessary; join the Army today!), and we were getting built up to take some serious losses, but then out of nowhere our friend Enigma starts interfering with the course of events, ultimately destabilizing things to the point where we only fight Elidibus to a draw, preventing the worst-case scenario where either of us comes out on top.

The climactic events that should have occurred didn't, both sides are too tired to continue for the moment, and now we're on a road trip to Third Optionville. For whatever reason, the plot has been hijacked.


Unrelated note, I did the instance as Ninja and cleared it first try. It was tight but certainly not impossible for melee.

I'm half-expecting that we're going to end up becoming the Warrior of Darkness not just to bring balance back to the First but to also make it so destroying the Ascians back at the Source won't cause an imbalance by virtue of us basically filling the void that would've been left by their demise with our own darkness.

Elidibus seems doggedly determined to get rid of us now and we can't just avoid him or neglect finishing him off forever (I'm not convinced we wouldn't have been able to beat him if the voice hadn't intervened).

I'm expecting him or Solus to be the endboss of the 5.0 MSQ, personally. We still haven't witnessed the full capabilities or true form of an Ascian according to word of god, after all (The Ascian Prime was noted as being something closer to their true nature but not quite the real deal).