Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.56

Originally Posted by Lauront

On that point...

Eh, I don't quite read it that way. He was ready to go for round 2, having already weakened you considerably. Yes, the calling presented an opportunity but also a big risk in that it could be Hydaelyn, so he had to be swift but alas, you were whisked away before he could do much else. It's also pretty clear he was experimenting with the body's potential at that stage. So I'm not inclined to agree.

As for Solus, I think it all just lines up nicely with setting the stage for a betrayal, perhaps to satisfy his own megalomaniacal ambitions and unseat Elidibus from his role, or something even "better". Pretending to be Varis and using his own lines through his mouth makes for a nice bit of theatre.

For you see ...

Then that makes Elidibus dumb he knows we have permanently destroyed 2 ascians, he had to know we would figure out an ascian(not necessarily him) was possessing Zenos's body due to it having been buried so there was a chance(at least to his knowledge) that we could have the means to destroy him too, holding back even if you are overconfident in your abilities against someone who has been known to destroy your seemingly immortal kin is incredibly dumb and for a character like Elidibus that seems out of character especially when the objective is to kill.

Final thoughts on that...

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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I didn't really get the impression we were weakened by our fight with Elidizenos, more that G'raha wouldn't stop trying to call us in the middle of the fight. It's hard enough to have a conversation with Raubahn with him kicking the door to our soul down, let alone sustain combat with a foe like Elidibus using Zenos' body.

I guess we're just going to have to disagree on that one. Your character was taken by surprise when he just revived himself and was ready to go for round 2. This is sort of why I don't really like trying to infer too much from fight mechanics, let alone in a solo instance, about character capabilities, and also because they're in the habit of under-tuning content which players go through for the MSQ. I can only hope that if we do encounter him again in a fight, they will be able to flesh it out a bit more. Same goes for Solus.

In any case, at this stage I am just glad they did not prematurely kill him - or Varis - off.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

For you see ...

Then that makes Elidibus dumb he knows we have permanently destroyed 2 ascians, he had to know we would figure out an ascian(not necessarily him) was possessing Zenos's body due to it having been buried so there was a chance(at least to his knowledge) that we could have the means to destroy him too, holding back even if you are overconfident in your abilities against someone who has been known to destroy your seemingly immortal kin is incredibly dumb and for a character like Elidibus that seems out of character especially when the objective is to kill.

I'm not saying he's holding back. I am saying we probably did not see the full set of his abilities at this stage. You're also conveniently ignoring that he just got right back up, perhaps with the very intention of startling you. Yet the fight was cut short by an opportunity to strike you down, but you were whisked away at that point, with him then leaving to deal with Varis's departure.

Originally Posted by Lauront

Final thoughts on that...

I'm not saying he's holding back. I am saying we probably did not see the full set of his abilities at this stage. You're also conveniently ignoring that he just got right back up, perhaps with the very intention of startling you. Yet the fight was cut short by an opportunity to strike you down, but you were whisked away at that point, with him then leaving to deal with Varis's departure.

To continue

Right which means he had the strength to continue fighting the WoL so why did he stop at 1 blow when Estinien came Elidibus's objective was to kill us he would not care about what Varis is doing if his goal is right in front of his face, Elidibus would have the means to destroy body and soul i mean we have figured it out with regards to them so why did he stop? Why was Estinien the reason for him to back off? If your objective is to kill and you purposely hold back your are an idiot.

Nearing my post limit, so parting thoughts...

Originally Posted by Crushnight

To continue

Right which means he had the strength to continue fighting the WoL so why did he stop at 1 blow when Estinien came Elidibus's objective was to kill us he would not care about what Varis is doing if his goal is right in front of his face, Elidibus would have the means to destroy body and soul i mean we have figured it out with regards to them so why did he stop? Why was Estinien the reason for him to back off? If your objective is to kill and you purposely hold back your are an idiot.

At the same time, there was the implication that he was testing the host's limits. We know that the WoL is one of the most potent characters in the setting, and yet Elidibus was ready to go on. How did the WoL propose to rid of him, after all, with no auracite or high aether concentration? He'd just hop bodies. Unlike Lahabrea and Igeyorm he didn't even feel the need to go anywhere but just sought to continue fighting you. I believe it's less to do with idiocy and more to do with the fact that it would take a while to fully batter you down, especially with the protection of the Blessing of Light. Then came that point where you were communing with something - Hydaelyn, to him? - and he sought to swiftly prevent that, maybe hoping it'd suffice to dispose of you, whereupon he could then destroy your soul. Yet, there was a distraction.

It's not really explained how Estinien figured into it, other than his arrival distracted him in some manner (maybe he blasted him with some of that dragon power?), grabbed the WoL and got the hell out of there as soon as he could. Elidibus's portrayal in the entire patch wasn't particularly strong, but more so from a narrative POV. He's always gone to pains to explain his motives; hell, even Lahabrea, Nabriales and Igeyorhm at least give you some build up before engaging you. Here, there was none, and yet there is a lot that you, as WoL, do not know. For instance, why the sudden urgency, when before he hasn't been so aggressive. I believe the reason is that SE didn't want him giving away the reason for it - that Minfillia has been unable to stabilise matters of the Source, as that would give away too much of the plot for 5.0. He also did not push Varis particularly strongly, who was just regurgitating his usual lines, so much so you had to wonder if it was Solus having some fun at Elidibus's expense, before he goes off to do his own thing with the Black rose. So I am hoping we see more of Elidibus in 5.0 but better than this. That is, unless Solus ends up overtaking his role, somehow. It's just at odds with what we've seen of Elidibus so far. Meanwhile, for someone who said of him that his judgement seldom errs, Solus is acting very secretive - perhaps Solus considers Elidibus bringing him back into the picture to be one of those times where did err, given Solus's own possible ambitions, which ties into the speculation on Solus in my first post in the thread. But we'll see.

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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I can agree to disagree; I certainly see why you have the interpretation that you do, but I will point out that I'm not inferring that based off of the ingame mechanics at all. Yeah, we looked surprised when Zenos got back up, but we also looked surprised when the WoD stood back up, we weren't necessarily worse for the wear. I won't argue that WoL absolutely blitzed Zenos with no effort--clearly there was effort in the fight. I think if the fight were allowed to continue, Zenos would eventually win through attrition, but it would have been another few rounds I think. In my opinion, WoL didn't look too terribly worn out from Round 1--until of course, G'raha started calling us hard.

I guess we don't disagree on that much, then, as that's a fair interpretation of it. The attrition thing may come down to what is really necessary to bring down the Blessing of Light.

This is what I thought about the patch.....

Main Scenario

I am not sure which one made me more sad.... the fact that the MSQ is underwhelming, made me shout “that’s freaking it?”, left me confused and didn’t actually explain to me why I would become WoD or why I will be going to the first shard as what they have said during the Tokyo Fan Fest....... or the fact that the end credits took longer to finish than this patch’s MSQ....

Hildibrand:

GREEEEEEEEGGGGGGG!
And oh great now I have another misc. Drug to worry about being administered to my poor WoL/WoD's drink. I can already picture the scenario: We get Dewprism'd and we RP (probs as Allisae) fight our character who gets progressively weaker as we damage them and they slowly regain control of themselves.

Originally Posted by Lauront

Nearing my post limit, so parting thoughts...

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The law of 10:

That's the thing that gets me Elidibus had no idea if we had that auracite or not he really took a gamble on his existence on the very balance he strives for on us not having that auracite and the means to defeat him, that is a big gamble that does not seem to line up with how he has been portrayed up till now.

Agreed Elidibus has been poorly handled this patch hopefully we will get some clarification on his full motives in ShB going to be a long wait XD