Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.56

Originally Posted by Lauront

Final thoughts on that...

I'm not saying he's holding back. I am saying we probably did not see the full set of his abilities at this stage. You're also conveniently ignoring that he just got right back up, perhaps with the very intention of startling you. Yet the fight was cut short by an opportunity to strike you down, but you were whisked away at that point, with him then leaving to deal with Varis's departure.

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Right which means he had the strength to continue fighting the WoL so why did he stop at 1 blow when Estinien came Elidibus's objective was to kill us he would not care about what Varis is doing if his goal is right in front of his face, Elidibus would have the means to destroy body and soul i mean we have figured it out with regards to them so why did he stop? Why was Estinien the reason for him to back off? If your objective is to kill and you purposely hold back your are an idiot.

Nearing my post limit, so parting thoughts...

Originally Posted by Crushnight

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Right which means he had the strength to continue fighting the WoL so why did he stop at 1 blow when Estinien came Elidibus's objective was to kill us he would not care about what Varis is doing if his goal is right in front of his face, Elidibus would have the means to destroy body and soul i mean we have figured it out with regards to them so why did he stop? Why was Estinien the reason for him to back off? If your objective is to kill and you purposely hold back your are an idiot.

At the same time, there was the implication that he was testing the host's limits. We know that the WoL is one of the most potent characters in the setting, and yet Elidibus was ready to go on. How did the WoL propose to rid of him, after all, with no auracite or high aether concentration? He'd just hop bodies. Unlike Lahabrea and Igeyorm he didn't even feel the need to go anywhere but just sought to continue fighting you. I believe it's less to do with idiocy and more to do with the fact that it would take a while to fully batter you down, especially with the protection of the Blessing of Light. Then came that point where you were communing with something - Hydaelyn, to him? - and he sought to swiftly prevent that, maybe hoping it'd suffice to dispose of you, whereupon he could then destroy your soul. Yet, there was a distraction.

It's not really explained how Estinien figured into it, other than his arrival distracted him in some manner (maybe he blasted him with some of that dragon power?), grabbed the WoL and got the hell out of there as soon as he could. Elidibus's portrayal in the entire patch wasn't particularly strong, but more so from a narrative POV. He's always gone to pains to explain his motives; hell, even Lahabrea, Nabriales and Igeyorhm at least give you some build up before engaging you. Here, there was none, and yet there is a lot that you, as WoL, do not know. For instance, why the sudden urgency, when before he hasn't been so aggressive. I believe the reason is that SE didn't want him giving away the reason for it - that Minfillia has been unable to stabilise matters of the Source, as that would give away too much of the plot for 5.0. He also did not push Varis particularly strongly, who was just regurgitating his usual lines, so much so you had to wonder if it was Solus having some fun at Elidibus's expense, before he goes off to do his own thing with the Black rose. So I am hoping we see more of Elidibus in 5.0 but better than this. That is, unless Solus ends up overtaking his role, somehow. It's just at odds with what we've seen of Elidibus so far. Meanwhile, for someone who said of him that his judgement seldom errs, Solus is acting very secretive - perhaps Solus considers Elidibus bringing him back into the picture to be one of those times where did err, given Solus's own possible ambitions, which ties into the speculation on Solus in my first post in the thread. But we'll see.

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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I can agree to disagree; I certainly see why you have the interpretation that you do, but I will point out that I'm not inferring that based off of the ingame mechanics at all. Yeah, we looked surprised when Zenos got back up, but we also looked surprised when the WoD stood back up, we weren't necessarily worse for the wear. I won't argue that WoL absolutely blitzed Zenos with no effort--clearly there was effort in the fight. I think if the fight were allowed to continue, Zenos would eventually win through attrition, but it would have been another few rounds I think. In my opinion, WoL didn't look too terribly worn out from Round 1--until of course, G'raha started calling us hard.

I guess we don't disagree on that much, then, as that's a fair interpretation of it. The attrition thing may come down to what is really necessary to bring down the Blessing of Light.

Originally Posted by Lauront

Nearing my post limit, so parting thoughts...

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The law of 10:

That's the thing that gets me Elidibus had no idea if we had that auracite or not he really took a gamble on his existence on the very balance he strives for on us not having that auracite and the means to defeat him, that is a big gamble that does not seem to line up with how he has been portrayed up till now.

Agreed Elidibus has been poorly handled this patch hopefully we will get some clarification on his full motives in ShB going to be a long wait XD

This is what I thought about the patch.....

Main Scenario

I am not sure which one made me more sad.... the fact that the MSQ is underwhelming, made me shout “that’s freaking it?”, left me confused and didn’t actually explain to me why I would become WoD or why I will be going to the first shard as what they have said during the Tokyo Fan Fest....... or the fact that the end credits took longer to finish than this patch’s MSQ....

Hildibrand:

GREEEEEEEEGGGGGGG!
And oh great now I have another misc. Drug to worry about being administered to my poor WoL/WoD's drink. I can already picture the scenario: We get Dewprism'd and we RP (probs as Allisae) fight our character who gets progressively weaker as we damage them and they slowly regain control of themselves.

My thoughts on MSQ:

Overall this felt very "wait, is that all?"... but also a demonstration of why Previews are Bad (and I hate watching trailers for things I'm definitely watching/playing later).

We'd be freaking out a lot more about Mr Enigma and his confirmation that we're going to the First if we hadn't been told about it in advance, or seen him on the poster. It would be the first time we've seen him. The first chance to recognise him. The first time we'd find out where we're going in the next part of the story, and that it isn't Garlemald but the First.

All the wind has been sucked out of the big reveal of the patch before it ever happened. Mystery guy? Yep, seen him. Off to the First? Yep, they told us last week. Why doesn't this finale have any new and exciting things in it?



If there was any question left about Enigma's resemblance to G'raha, his character data looks rather familiar....

(Enigma is missing G'raha's eyeshadow, and the actual face setting has switched from #1 to #2 - but that seems irrelevant since it's a custom model either way, and based on standard face #3 if I remember correctly. Everything else is identical. If it was meant to be not him but a lookalike, I'd expect a different hairstyle or height setting or something.)

That crystal transformation is very unsettling-looking. I'd assumed it was just his hand and the few patches elsewhere, but it looked more like it could be extending all across his chest, growing upwards onto his neck and face... I wonder what's going on. His left arm and feet seem fine, at least.



Did anybody think our sudden transition to Ishgard was rather.... off? Not just in a mood-shattering way but 'unreal', like it was being faked to us somehow. We survived a seemingly mortal blow, were rescued by someone we never saw, woke up miles from the battlefield, and to top it all off, Edmont tells us that Artoirel is just about to depart for Ghimlyt. Wasn't he there since 4.50?

Maybe it's just a translation error, perhaps a shift in tense that they didn't realise was important, but I was already feeling rather disoriented and it all seemed rather strange. And I kept remembering the New Year's poem - "weave ye an azure lie" - which doesn't quite fit but it's still pointing at some kind of deception involving Ishgard....

Still, everything after it seemed normal enough.



Also, what's up with Tataru's choice of outfit design for us?

"I made you some new travelling gear; I hope you like it!"

"Tataru, why does my 'travelling gear' have a hood with a demonic mask I can't even take off?"

"Does it fit? Is it comfortable?"

...

Re. Zenos

Originally Posted by Theodric

Zenos walking towards the slain Garlean soldier suggests to me that he's going to use the Resonance to possess a different body in order to try and reclaim his real form from Elidibus. I assume that there's a good chance that he succeeds, especially with him showing up in Dissidia NT as a playable character.

Originally Posted by Rocl

Also I guess we're supposed to believe the real Zenos has figured out how to swap bodies with the Resonant and was going to take that Centurion's corpse as his next vessel and return to Garlemald.

Not necessarily, I think - he might just be intending to steal a Garlean uniform so he can infiltrate their base. I'm not sure that swapping bodies would achieve much besides saving him a costume change.

Re. unhelpful messages

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Also whoever the voice is, I want to smack him upside the head for being so vague in all his messages. If it was so important tell us something more useful than 'throw wide the gates' you jerk.

From the first "calling" we heard in this patch - the frustrated voice saying "why won't you open?" I got the impression that it may not be a deliberate calling at all.

And when we first meet Enigma, he says that this isn't where he intended to meet us. Suggesting that whatever exactly happened, it wasn't planned to happen like it did.

Perhaps we're simply 'overhearing' his not-quite-successful attempts at some kind of portal-opening spell. The calling of the Scions could even be an accidental side-effect - imagine if every time he tries the incantation and "nothing happens", actually someone else is affected and he has no idea!

Originally Posted by KDSilver

I don't know if I may ask this here, but, what is from the game scenario point of view "Light" and "Darkness" ?
What does this mean to "spread Light" or "spread Darkness" ?

Doing "good" things ? Saving people ? = Light ?
Spreading darkness means making them suffer ?

I'm really confused about their definition.

We're all a bit confused at this point!

Although from what they were saying at Fanfest, it sounds like it may not be the Ascian-chaos variety of "Darkness" but a more natural "darkness" of night and shadow. It's still unclear how we do that, but it doesn't seem quite as ominous if that's the case.

There's also Minfilia's previously-stated mission to rid the First of its excess Light.... which presumably has gone askew. (Or is she still just outsourcing all her work to us?)

Though I suppose maybe she's slowed it down enough that we can come to the rescue.