Thread: Revelations from Patch 4.56

On the subject of FFIX, it always bugged me how G'raha had Zidane's hairstyle. They could definitely do interesting things if they decide to work the Allagan cloning angle, though. I got a sudden mental image of G'raha (and the entire line of Desch) not really being Miqo'te of the G, but a bunch of Genomes. Probably nothing, but still...

Originally Posted by Fenral

On the subject of FFIX, it always bugged me how G'raha had Zidane's hairstyle. They could definitely do interesting things if they decide to work the Allagan cloning angle, though. I got a sudden mental image of G'raha (and the entire line of Desch) not really being Miqo'te of the G, but a bunch of Genomes. Probably nothing, but still...

I am absolutely always up for more IX references, if my character's last name didn't make that obvious enough. The Allagan cloning angle could certainly be a way to approach Genomes.

Regarding Elezenos

When the cutscene opens on Elezenos, his eyes are glowing red like Fordola's do when she's having an echo flashback, does Zenos possess the same power?

Originally Posted by Claymore65

Evidence from Stormblood suggests it also involves the execution of a lot of people in order for it to work. The Eorzean Alliance had to remove piles of bodies from the machine when they removed Krile from it at the end of Stormblood. I'm kind of expecting the Resonant to come up a lot more in the future.

Just a quick aside on this:

The impression I got was not that these people were executed to enable the process, but that they were other individuals who were slated to be given the Resonance, and the process failed. Lethally. Basically, out of scores of test subjects, there were only two (known) successes: Fordola and Zenos. The rest all died, instead in a risky experimental procedure with a ridiculously high lethality rate. It's not too surprising that Fordola would have been willing to try (assuming she'd even been informed of the risks at all). At the point where she agreed to be augmented, she'd just failed a major initiative against the Alliance and fully expected Zenos to execute her on the spot. The fact that Zenos gambled with his own life is a bit more startling - but then, he's not exactly the sanest of individuals. Possibly also his narcissism left no doubt in his mind that he would be among the gifted...

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Just a quick aside on this:

The impression I got was not that these people were executed to enable the process, but that they were other individuals who were slated to be given the Resonance, and the process failed. Lethally. Basically, out of scores of test subjects, there were only two (known) successes: Fordola and Zenos. The rest all died, instead in a risky experimental procedure with a ridiculously high lethality rate. It's not too surprising that Fordola would have been willing to try (assuming she'd even been informed of the risks at all). At the point where she agreed to be augmented, she'd just failed a major initiative against the Alliance and fully expected Zenos to execute her on the spot. The fact that Zenos gambled with his own life is a bit more startling - but then, he's not exactly the sanest of individuals. Possibly also his narcissism left no doubt in his mind that he would be among the gifted...

Your impression is incorrect.

Talking to the people in the room while you're doing Echoes of an Echo, which was in 4.1, tells you that the bodies were drained of their aether. The way the pods work, iirc, is that they drain the aether from their occupants, send that aether to a master pod which Krile was in, and that somehow was attuned or something to the host. Those corpses were resources, not failed subjects.

The relevant MSQ isn't in the inn journal for whatever reason, so you're best looking it up on YouTube. Alphinaud's summation of the procedure is that it "entailed infusing a single candidate with aether siphoned from a multitude of 'supply subjects'. As for the 'master subject' -in this case, Krile- the patterns of her aetheric activity would provide the model upon which they would artificially engineer the candidate's aura." Or in other words, recreate the "master subject's" Echo.

Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

The relevant MSQ isn't in the inn journal for whatever reason, so you're best looking it up on YouTube.

If it isn't in the inn journal (and sometimes even if it is), it's almost certainly on Garland Tools - which is a lot easier to quote than Youtube.

From Echoes of an Echo:

SYSTEM
The device in which Krile was held seems even more ominous now you know its purpose. The surrounding pods are marked “Supply Subject” while this one bears the label “Master Subject.”

IRONWORKS ENGINEER
The Ironworks received a request from the Alliance to analyze these devices, and I've been recording everything of interest. Did you notice the labeling?
All the pods are designed to drain the aether of the occupant...save that one right there.
Unlike the others, the interior's been fitted with an array of sensors to measure aetheric wave forms. To what purpose, however, I couldn't tell you.

FLAME DOCTOR
So many bodies... Every one of them a victim of these “experiments.”
Few show any signs of external injury. From what we've been able to determine, they perished from forcible aether extraction. Such a miserable way to die...
We've recovered scores of bodies from those devices. What could possibly justify the deaths of so many...?

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ALPHINAUD
Taken in combination with the testimonies of Krile and Thancred, I do begin to see exactly what the imperials were attempting here.
The enhancement procedure entailed infusing a single candidate with aether siphoned from a multitude of “supply subjects.”
As for the “master subject”─in this case, Krile─the patterns of her aetheric activity would provide the model upon which they would artificially engineer the candidate's aura.

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ALPHINAUD
The forcible extraction of aether from a living subject is invariably fatal. How many died that Fordola might gain her new abilities?

Regarding Elezenos

Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

When the cutscene opens on Elezenos, his eyes are glowing red like Fordola's do when she's having an echo flashback, does Zenos possess the same power?

We already saw original-Zenos doing that in Stormblood - I think when he was taking control of Shinryu.