Shadowbringers and magic

[manamoppet]

As the races evolved differently on the First, it would be fair to think magic and magic spells developed differently as well, I presume? What with the magic users of the Warriors of Darkness being Devout, and Magus...

[Lambdafish]

I think this would be a cool bit of lore. Like how we got a bunch of job reveals in stormblood that aren't playable (GEO, and all the ivalice jobs), I can see us learning about how the jobs evolved in the first.

[Anonymoose]

The Warriors of Darkness having weird jobs with weird mixes of abilities actually was confirmed as a hint that the Source and the shards diverged pretty radically over time. (I guess we just assume the founders of Eulmore were "similarly inspired" to those that founded Limsa Lominsa? lol.) But it's also been confirmed that the classes on the Source are based on traditional schools that "just happen" (for the sake of game mechanics) to teach certain clusters of skills in certain ways. I bet there are all sorts of similar-but-different spells and roles over there, as much across dimensions as across time on the Source. I mean, Allagans had "conjurers" but they weren't, you know, conjurers.

[Kiniun]

The Warriors of Darkness having weird jobs with weird mixes of abilities actually was confirmed as a hint that the Source and the shards diverged pretty radically over time. (

I became briefly excited during the presentation that maybe the reason we'd never seen dancers (and if it exists on the Source, the Garleans should have forcibly drafted some practitioners into their armies!) was due to its being a tradition on the First.

But then they revealed you pick up the job in Limsa. sigh!

[Vulcwen]

I became briefly excited during the presentation that maybe the reason we'd never seen dancers (and if it exists on the Source, the Garleans should have forcibly drafted some practitioners into their armies!) was due to its being a tradition on the First.

But then they revealed you pick up the job in Limsa. sigh!

The theory can still work, it's just that they stick to the concept of not locking the new jobs behind the story, thus they have to start in ARR zones.

[Bright-Flower]

The theory can still work, it's just that they stick to the concept of not locking the new jobs behind the story, thus they have to start in ARR zones.

Yep. Red mage draws its origins to Gyr Abania with survivors of Mhach and Ampador combining to form the new red magic. And Samurai goes all the way to hingashi.

Gunbraeker and Dancer are in Limsa and Gridania but that doesn't mean that they come from there lore wise. Only that it's where the quests begin. Blue mage is similar, it draws from a region that we can't even go to yet and may or may not ever see in game depending on how long FF XIV goes and if they eventually flesh out every corner of Hydalyn.

They teased in the Europe fanfast that the other job would be tied to the expansion city, so I'm assuming Dancer will indeed come from the First lore wise. It's possible that gunbraker does as well, we'll have to see.

I think something pretty big is going to happen on Tuesday to bridge the expansions.

[KageTokage]

I had a thought that we might actually learn our new job skills from trainers native to the First this time around, as I can't see any logical reason our original job trainers would have for us going there.

I don't think going to the First is going to be a public access thing, either, so I doubt any of them would head there themselves.

[ObsidianFire]

The Job Quests for all the jobs are going to be very interesting. Some jobs are so centered in certain cultures that I don't see them ever involving the 1st Shard. Monk, Ninja, Samuari and Dragoon are all like that. Others are a lot less tied to any one culture and could much more easily be involved in thing on the 1st Shard. Astrologin, White Mage, Black Mage, Summoner, Bard... really any of the classes interested in another culture's way of doing their job would work well with the 1st Shard. It might also be that some of the Job Quests are going to be how we keep up with the situation on the Source.

[Jonnycbad]

This is how some jobs I think will lean abilities 71+. For example, we don't know if Dragons exist on the First, but if they do, it could be likely a Dragonsong War never happened. Maybe a clan of Elfan spearmen (Uhlans) learned to coexist with Dragons and never learned or created the fearsome Jump attacks Dragoons on the Source are known for
slaying dragons with. Instead, the Uhlans learned too weave Aether to form breath attacks that mimic Dragons' breaths. Since Dragoons visiting the first could learn these abilities, and we could get a Breath gauge for unleashing one of Dragoon's most powerful skills from the FF series: Holy Breath

[LineageRazor]

This is how some jobs I think will lean abilities 71+. For example, we don't know if Dragons exist on the First, but if they do, it could be likely a Dragonsong War never happened. Maybe a clan of Elfan spearmen (Uhlans) learned to coexist with Dragons and never learned or created the fearsome Jump attacks Dragoons on the Source are known for
slaying dragons with. Instead, the Uhlans learned too weave Aether to form breath attacks that mimic Dragons' breaths. Since Dragoons visiting the first could learn these abilities, and we could get a Breath gauge for unleashing one of Dragoon's most powerful skills from the FF series: Holy Breath

It's pretty likely that no dragons exist on the First Shard - or any other Shard, for that matter. All Dragons are descended from Midgardsormr, who came to this world many thousands of years ago. Prior to that, no dragons existed in the world. I'm pretty sure that Midgardsormr arrived AFTER the Shards split off from the Source, so the Shards wouldn't have their own copies of Midgardsormr, and therefore no progenitor from whom dragons could descend.

There may well be a spear-wielding job on the Source, but it would be completely detached from dragons in every way, and likely wouldn't have jumps as a central part of their arsenal (since jumping was cultivated among Dragoons to provide a way to combat flying opponents - a common danger when dealing with dragons).

More likely, I think, the Dragoon job quests will not involve the new areas, or involve them only minimally, just as the Black Mage quests did in Stormblood (only a brief section of one quest took place in a Stormblood area).