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    OcieKo's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Ociela Koslun
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    Midgardsormr
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    I'm very happy you enjoy the questing and the story. What usually happens, however, is people clear the msq once and never touch it again once they unlock the real game.
    It's still boring as hell and the fact is it's taken me almost 5 years to still not clear ARR on one of my chars... got 4 or 5 done during ARR (Started X-Mas before HW), 2 or 3 more done during HW, and atm only 3 of mine are at 70 in SB, I've gotten waaaay lazy on it. I had 3 60s before Alexander Gordias in HW. At this point I mostly skip cutscenes that don't have interesting content, tho it was fun seeing the w/ w/o certain jobs leveled at some points of the game. NIN/DRG have a few points in ARR where the dialogue changes based on what you have leveled. I want to say Arcanist has one somewhere too...

    Quote Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki View Post
    The mind set of "the real game" is killing newbies across the entire MMO genre.
    ~snip~
    Yep pretty much, and horizontal progression MMOs are quite rare, and even rarer are the cases where they are successful. Tried WoW/EQ1/EQ2 last month after not having touched them for about a decade... bored the hell out of me. It might be time to have a pre-defined lifespan on MMOs. Maybe 10 years or so then just work on the new on at around the time of expansion 5/6.
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    Last edited by OcieKo; 03-26-2019 at 03:47 PM.

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    Orbus's Avatar
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    Character
    Solala Sola
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 80
    Don't get me wrong, as a whole I enjoyed the ARR story line.
    The good parts are good.
    But the bad parts of it... are really bad.
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    NocturniaUzuki's Avatar
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    Nocturnia Uzuki
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by OcieKo View Post
    Have to keep in mind the leveling process in ARR is VASTLY longer than any of the expacs, even if you level through a chunk faster even before all the xp buffs its 50 lvls vs. 10. And this mind set of "the real game" is probably killing more newbies than everything else combined, its like telling them the story is worthless once your 70 and endgame grinding your finally playing FFXIV.

    For the record, I've done ARRs entire MSQ 7 times already, hopefully my last round of it will be done before Shadowbringers.
    The mind set of "the real game" is killing newbies across the entire MMO genre.

    The trend in MMOs these days is to run with an established system and not innovate. Innovation comes with inherent risk, so most MMO developers opt to take the slow death by the endlessly widening sea of dead content than try something new and potentially nuke their entire playerbase. As we can all see clearly in the wake if FanFest, even relatively minor changes to established systems can cause people to fly into a rage.

    Some MMOs have tried to innovate. One of those that I have experience with is RuneScape. That innovation largely failed, and they paid a price for it, but the game is still going strong, albeit now as a divided community across two versions of the same game.

    In any case, as someone who is tired and disinterested in the current trend, I'm all for FFXIV taking some risks and trying to innovate. However, the more likely outcome is that they will refuse to innovate, until possibly after FFXIV falls out of its prime. Once a new online FF is released and FFXIV stops receiving expansions, I think it will actually be a much better experience for new players.

    That's some irony for you.
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    Hysterior's Avatar
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    Larek Darkholme
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    My partner started the game yesterday so I am going through it with him and boy this is tedious...
    I am not a cash-shop person but I start thinking that this story potion could be worth it...
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    CaptnYesterday's Avatar
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    Limsa
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    Character
    Bruce Gender
    World
    Malboro
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    My partner started the game yesterday so I am going through it with him and boy this is tedious...
    I am not a cash-shop person but I start thinking that this story potion could be worth it...
    Its worth it! I've never bought anything else but the ARR's MSQ skip potion is almost a requirement to keep normal new players from quitting when faced with early game (and especially 2.xx). I don't usually recommend the leveling potion because this game has such fantastic and fast paced leveling content. Dungeons, Roulettes, Daily beast tribes, PotD, and even those damn Leves can be fun. Potion lets you open all of that up fast. Mix it all up to level and try out different classes. Then hit HW and SB head on and enjoy modernized MSQ progression as well as lvl 50+ skill kits that start making combat awesome.


    Only... why is it necessary to micromanage new players experience to keep them from bailing? Isn't this something the Devs recognize as killing the game's bottom-line?
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