Thread: 5.0 Combat changes: What do you expect?

Originally Posted by Legion88

In my opinion ressources should enforce or support mechanics and not just limit things.
That's the reason why i hated TP from the beginning, because they were just a limitation for physical jobs.
MP is also mostly just limiting the jobs but not providing any real impact on or interweaving with the mechanics of the jobs.

Unlimited resources is a nasty can of worms. It allows for a lot of very problematic strategies to be viable. At the moment resources are too vast, depletion isn't a real concern barring a massive amount of mistakes. To effectively get rid of primary resources the entire combat system would have to be overhauled, to the extent that most CDs would have to increase and possibly cooldowns on primary combo rotation buttons.

Ironically the best balance of our thought points is probably the job with the least limited resources in the game BLM.

Originally Posted by Legion88

When resources are only a concern after a huge mistake and not relevant for the jobs mechanics itself they should be removed.

Still, flat out removing them is a horrible idea.

Originally Posted by Legion88

But why?
You yourself said that resources are no concern, and not needed.
Most jobs have their own specific ressource and are in no need for a global resource.

That's because they are too easy to maintain. We can do a lot of wasteful uses of our resources and be just fine, which is the issue. Removing them would make it worse not better. Find more BLM/PLD like ways to use it sure, but just remove them, no.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

That's because they are too easy to maintain. We can do a lot of wasteful uses of our resources and be just fine, which is the issue. Removing them would make it worse not better. Find more BLM/PLD like ways to use it sure, but just remove them, no.

The issue is that one system does not necessarily fit all. Not every job can satisfyingly turn a balance of two otherwise unrelated resources into a mechanic. I'd argue even that the only reason it works as well as it does for PLD now is because it's unique.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

The issue is that one system does not necessarily fit all. Not every job can satisfyingly turn a balance of two otherwise unrelated resources into a mechanic. I'd argue even that the only reason it works as well as it does for PLD now is because it's unique.

I don't mean identical, but where balancing it is vital. If they wanted to add an "all mp" ability on a job like BLMs Flare but have its dmg scale on MP then a job could focus on building it up and then poofing it as needed. Could give a job with a "sweet spot" where trying to maintain say 40-60% gives some sort of benefit. Trying to keep it as low as possible is an option as well, basically to the point you'd regen enough to use whatever ability you wanted to use then back to keeping it down.

And like the one before you said, MP regen is too strong right now, weakening it is a better option than removing costs and limitations.

Originally Posted by OcieKo

Unlimited resources is a nasty can of worms. It allows for a lot of very problematic strategies to be viable. At the moment resources are too vast, depletion isn't a real concern barring a massive amount of mistakes. To effectively get rid of primary resources the entire combat system would have to be overhauled, to the extent that most CDs would have to increase and possibly cooldowns on primary combo rotation buttons.

Ironically the best balance of our thought points is probably the job with the least limited resources in the game BLM.

But TP-users have always been balanced already around the weakness of the high-TP cost skills themselves, making the penalty utterly redundant and utterly imbalanced. Casters had the very same power curves to their AoEs (if not better, in many cases) without any of the attached inflated resource costs.