Thread: 5.0 Combat changes: What do you expect?

Originally Posted by Bonbori

Why does SCH/SMN have to have Lucid Dreaming when it could simply have more MP return on Energy Drain/Aetherflow instead?

Someone questioned this in another thread, so I pretty much just copy and pasted my response with some changes.

Before Stormblood, Aetherflow originally was the only action that ACN/SMN/SCH had available (excluding Energy Drain) to restore their own MP. The original recovery cost was 20% instead of the 10% we get now, and there was no role action like Lucid as an alternative. Sure AF was used to deal damage/heal, but if no other player was in the party with Refresh capabilities (e.g. BRD/MCH) then it was something you needed to use it to manage your MP. After Lucid Dreaming was made cross-role it kinda made sense to reduce the effect of Aetherflow to 10%, otherwise that would of been a lot of MP being recovered. I mean neither kinda have MP issues now anyway, but it took several patches of fixes to get the jobs in to that place to begin with.

Originally Posted by Physic

problem is monk can skip ahead in the combo with the skill

I mentioned that. So can SAM. Would rather see that those TWO skills for TWO jobs get reworked so more jobs overall (PLD, WAR, DRK, DRG, NIN, MNK, SAM, and prob Gunbreaker) could get the benefits of additional hotbar space from combo buttons.

Let's say they did prune all those buttons into combo buttons, they'll probably just replace them with new skills and we're back to square one in regards to button bloat. I remember the last time they said they were pruning buttons and here we are. I'm skeptical they could even make this truly "optional," I feel like it would have to be across the board mandatory especially if they have to change class mechanics to fit all the jobs in since now you are affecting people that are playing the original version with no combo buttons.

Originally Posted by Rowde

snip

if people wants a handicap mode, have it optional for them.

i love my DRG the way it is and i would love to even have more GCDs and oGCDs to wesve together.

Male Viera and female Hrothgar to take the field?

Originally Posted by Xebric

Male Viera and female Hrothgar to take the field?

GTFO

/10char

Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

They mentioned the changes were too in-depth to be explained in a short interview, and since we're not getting a new healer because Yoshi wants to further tweak the existing ones I got curious: What are your thoughts?
Not only in regards to healing obviously, but what are you looking forward for them to add? Or remove? Or just overall change?

I personally would like if they redesigned Protect to be a cooldown instead of a "cast one and we're good" kind of spell.
It would also be nice to have a gap closer on the Paladin, or maybe a reworked Shield Lob, to make it bounce between hostile targets to aggro multiple mobs at once.

WHY do you want to make healing more difficult? This would just add more things to remember and complicate a rotation, which is exactly what Yoshi P is trying to get away from. I believe he said something akin to classes suffering from skill bloat and is looking for ways to reduce them. Plus, if they're going to add more skills from 70-80, they are going to have to cut things down.

But... But... healing isn't even that difficult if you have room to DPS for 80% of almost anything that isn't savage. Sometimes even savage.

Originally Posted by milovan

if people wants a handicap mode, have it optional for them.

i love my DRG the way it is and i would love to even have more GCDs and oGCDs to wesve together.

Again... having a combo button wouldn't prevent you from weaving oGCDs... it just means that the next action in a combo replaces the previous action as you progress through the combo.

For those that play on gamepad it would mean being able to place the buttons for more oGCDs on their primary hotbar, thus making them easier to get to.

When Yoshi says "player skill" I imagine he meant the judgement about when to use abilities... but now we're having to fight with with remembering Cross Hotbar layouts on top of rotations, and Server latency not accurately reading double taps and releases for W Cross bars.