It's time to add restrictions for sub-role dps in party

[Tlachtga]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster. This point is just ridiculous. Even yoshi said that's part of the reason. Read his interview. If you don't like it, that's fine but this point isn't winning you any favor.

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role already. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there.

Healers don't have that luxury.

[Nariel]

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there. Healers don't.

You want to play heal you have 3 options.

You want to play ranged DpS you have 2.

Heal are even facing AST that robbed WHM of its identity. Heal need lot of rework and balancing before adding a fourth member to the club don't you think ?

[Tlachtga]

You want to play heal you have 3 options.

You want to play ranged DpS you have 2.

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

[Nariel]

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

Ho, want to play with word ? Ok

You want to play Heal, you have 3 options.

You want to play magic ranged DpS you have 3.

You want to play physical ranged DpS you have 2.

You want to play melee DpS you have 4.

You want to play tank you have 3.

Because caster totaly play like BRD/MCH its well known.

[Tlachtga]

How, want to be play with word ? Ok

You want to play Heal, you have 3 options.

You want to play magic ranged DpS you have 3.

You want to play physical ranged DpS you have 2.

You want to play melee DpS you have 4.

You want to play tank you have 3.

Sure, let's play with words.

You want to play Melee Healer? You have 0 options
You want to play Physical Ranged Healer? You have 0 options
You want to play Magical Ranged Healer? You have 3 options

You want to play Melee Tank? You have 4 options
You want to play Physical Ranged Tank? You have 0 options
You want to play Magical Ranged Tank? You have 0 options

You want to play Melee DPS? You have 4 options
You want to play Physical Ranged DPS? You have 3 options
You want to play Magical Ranged DPS? You have 3 options

Cos you know, sub-roles of sub-roles are SUPER IMPORTANT now.

Because caster totaly play like BRD/MCH its well known.

Yes they play differently. That's my point; as a DPS, you have the option to experience a vastly different playstyle within your role. Healers don't.

[Nariel]

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Of course they are, casting spell isn't quite the same as handling a bow or a gun. Caster are pure DpS beast while phys' ranged have more support ability to play with, more mobility. Their only common trait is not being glued to the target ass. Because you can also say heal are just ranged caster and caster already had RDM in SB who can even heal and resurect so they already had a job.

Yup, healer are are too much of the same. Maybe it were the problem is and maybe... I say maybe they need to make the 3 already existing healer play differently enough before adding a fourth one to take in consideration when reworking the other.

[Fland]

Ho, want to play with word ? Ok

You want to play Heal, you have 3 options.

You want to play magic ranged DpS you have 3.

You want to play physical ranged DpS you have 2.

You want to play melee DpS you have 4.

You want to play tank you have 3.

Because caster totaly play like BRD/MCH its well known.

When you go to a party as a DPS, you fill in the "DPS Role", not melee role or caster role

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...in/party_play/

When I go to a party to fill in the healer role, I get 3 options to choose from
When I go to a party to fill in the tank role, I get 3 (soon to be 4) options to choose from
When I go to a party to fill in the DPS role, I get 9 (soon to be 10) options to choose from

[Anzaman]

When you go to a party as a DPS, you fill in the "DPS Role", not melee role or caster role.

I remember people quite often demanding certain roles within DPS category for their parties. For example Ranged Physical, aka Bard, has been quite needed due to their ability to refresh TP/MP. So even if they aren't technically called support in-game, they heavily focus on it. Heck, Bard even used to have healer Limit Break.

Also I've been "maining" AST since they introduced it, and I'm not angry about incoming jobs. But that's probably since I came from MMORPG where you were locking to one class on said character, so FFXIV offers nice variety when you feel like it. Would I have liked to get new healer job? Sure. But we also need to keep in mind that expansion will re-work jobs somewhat, so they aren't going to play exactly like today.

[Penthea]

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

Caster dps play very differently to ranged phys dps and you know it.

[Tlachtga]

Caster dps play very differently to ranged phys dps and you know it.

I never said they weren't different. Of course they play differently. But they're still undeniably DPS.

"but the devs split them like that!!!" I don't care. It's a poor justification for ignoring healers.

They have cited balance again for reasons of no healer, but they've struggled to balance BRD/MCH and they're getting a new job added to their sub-role of a sub-role that has the same importance as the supports.
They struggled with the tanks until a ways into the expansion and they're getting a new job for the mind-boggling reason that 4 tanks are easier to balance than 3. But healers? All of a sudden, balance is ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT.

It's a joke.