It's time to add restrictions for sub-role dps in party

[Ceasaria]

Dancer was added to the ranged DPS and one of the reason for that is because we have only 2 of them.

So Yoshida and many players state that a sub-role DPS have the same importance as healers and tanks.

But why then, sub-role are not restricted in party ?
DPS spots must be separated now as sub-role spot.

Il will let the 4 man party aside, but for the 8 man party the restriction should be :
- 2 tanks
- 2 healers
- 2 melee dps
- 1 ranged dps
- 1 caster dps

If you are not agree, then sub-role dps is not as important as healer and tank, and so ranged dps shouldn't had the priority to get another job over the healers.

[NekoNova]

I don't see why this needs to be enforced?
Run with 4 BLM for all I care as long as you clear the content?

[cicatriz313]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster. This point is just ridiculous. Even yoshi said that's part of the reason. Read his interview. If you don't like it, that's fine but this point isn't winning you any favor.

Yoshi's stance: A: It's not that we had no plans for a healer, but rather than making Dancer a healer, for FFXIV expansions we prioritize the players' game experience. It was decided early on that we would add a new tank, because MT and OT roles are poorly balanced when there are an odd number of tank jobs. Just for example, if we want to have two MT jobs and two OT jobs but we only have 3 tank jobs, then even if we make them capable of doing both, because of their advantages/disadvantages it tends to lead into a 2:1 ratio. We felt that it would be easier to balance with 4 jobs. We also wanted to add the gunblade as an iconic FF weapon that would appeal to people who hadn't tried an online FF yet.

When we were deciding what the other role would be, the last remaining options were a third ranged DPS or a fourth healer. However, we were still struggling with balancing the three existing healers, and SCH was always dominant because of the fairy. Even if we re-balanced them again for 5.0, and even if they also have the shield healer vs pure healer dichotomy, we thought it would be better to solidify the balance between the three healers instead of trying to balance four. By adding a third ranged DPS, we could round out the number of jobs per role.

There.

[Jandor]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster.

Why not make a healer in that style then? All 3 healers have a caster play style currently.

[Tlachtga]

God man. It's not about importance it's about play style. Most players who like bard like that style of movement while ranged. It's not the same as melee and not the same as caster. This point is just ridiculous. Even yoshi said that's part of the reason. Read his interview. If you don't like it, that's fine but this point isn't winning you any favor.

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role already. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there.

Healers don't have that luxury.

[Nariel]

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there. Healers don't.

You want to play heal you have 3 options.

You want to play ranged DpS you have 2.

Heal are even facing AST that robbed WHM of its identity. Heal need lot of rework and balancing before adding a fourth member to the club don't you think ?

[Tlachtga]

You want to play heal you have 3 options.

You want to play ranged DpS you have 2.

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

[Nariel]

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

Ho, want to play with word ? Ok

You want to play Heal, you have 3 options.

You want to play magic ranged DpS you have 3.

You want to play physical ranged DpS you have 2.

You want to play melee DpS you have 4.

You want to play tank you have 3.

Because caster totaly play like BRD/MCH its well known.

[Penthea]

You have FIVE options. SMN, BLM and RDM are all ranged dps.

Caster dps play very differently to ranged phys dps and you know it.

[Physic]

The point is using the "ranged physical only had two jobs" is ridiculous. You're dps, you had options for vastly different playstyles within your role already. Just because you didn't take then, doesn't mean that they weren't there.

Healers don't have that luxury.

dps dont generally identify as dps. many people think in other terms. If i prefer melee, im probably not too excited about ranged classes, if i like magic users, physical types rarely excite me.

not saying they should add no healers, but the argument that all dps are interchangeable in terms of player interest doesnt hold up.

Personally i think the rigid role system is starting to show its flaws as the game tries to expand