Thread: 5.0 Combat System Changes. Hopes and Expectations.

1. What changes do you think would be beneficial and mostly reasonable?

2. What changes, no holds barred, would you like to see? Pipedreams welcome.

3. What changes do you expect we'll get?



Have at it.

I would like to see an off hand implementation of different things. Right now it is mainly in the crafting system but I think it has a good deal of potential as a battle system because then you have the role actions, job actions, and off hand actions, which could vary for the type of item equipped. For example a ninja might have some ninja tools with three of four different sets of abilities depending on the type of too. a tank like dark knight might have a dirk or a paladin could choose between second sword, shield or club or a ranged attack weapon like a chain. the healers could throw enchanted rocks at party members and black mage could have a ceremonial knife to take party members life for invincibility. Machinist might have some AOE grenades and the Samuria could have some equipable incense with mystical qualities. I don't know, I'm just spit balling here I think it could be cool.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

1. What changes do you think would be beneficial and mostly reasonable?

2. What changes, no holds barred, would you like to see? Pipedreams welcome.

3. What changes do you expect we'll get?

1. TP is confirmed to be removed. While some think this will lead to greater utilization of MP for jobs that didn't use it, I think it far more likely that we see greater emphasis on the secondary resources introduced in Heavensward and formalized in Stormblood. Monks utilize Chakra more, Dragoons see a return of their Timer reducers tied to OGCD offense boosts, Ninjas have their Ninjutsu and Ninki more closely tied together, so on and so forth. Stormblood always felt transitional to me for every job except Samurai and Red Mage, who were designed specifically with Stormblood's base changes in mind. I see Shadowbringers being, if not the final step for every job, then a greater realization of what they startered in Stormblood.

2. I want Weaponskill jobs to be more heavily differentiated, with weapon types reflected more in the weaponskill diversity. Warriors with heavy, but slow recovery swings, Dark Knights with interchangable combos like Seigfried from Soul Calibur, Ninjas with more multi-strike weaponskills, more diversity in ranged weaponskills (Some cast time, some 'ranged positional' to make greater use of Ranged's free range). Weaponskills should be the baseline for jobs to feel different, not the secondary mechanics.

More situational spell diversity. Magic mostly works on priority systems in this game, but we have so few weighted choices to make regarding that. AF/UI Timer spenders, DoT detonations, Chain attacks, pulsing effects, effectively spells you can throw onto a 3x3 "Side deck" toolbar that you swap around based on encounter or need. Not necessarily a talent system - just spells that have use, but don't always have use.

3. Ability rank increases, current Abilities / traits being folded into the base actions they stem from, and Stone 5 for White Mage.

Dont expect anything lol.
I'd want skill tree or such, where you can spec any job for any role.
Wish they would stop removing skills, to make room for new ones, to prevents skill bloat, and split skills beetween roles instead.
Also different weapon stance/combat styles, so you could use lets say melee aoe stance, or single Target dps, or defensive stance - each stance having its own skills.
Unlocking classes, so you could have Lancer Dark Knight, or whatever.

I want a new jump guys. Its time. Its been 6 years. Give us a new jump.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

1. What changes do you think would be beneficial and mostly reasonable?

Stop denying Healer DPS. It doesn't have to be mandatory at lower level things (EX dungeons included; nobody reasonably cares if you only use 10% of your kit in dungeons, I'm convinced everybody I've ever run with in pugs does just that). Maybe relax a little bit and explore what identities for a healer one could find through that avenue: if White Mage is pure healing / pure damage, make it do the damage needed to deserve that title. Maybe add a Necromancer who does damage through healing allies; "Klaatu Barada Nicto: Heals for 300 potency. 10% of damage healed is afflicted to target's target." Et cetera, and so on. Maybe a healer whose off globals are tantamount to tank cooldowns, but do damage back. "Bone Cage: Buffs an ally with 'Armored'; any enemy that damages this ally takes 10% of damage dealt as damage to themselves."

I'm not good at designing jobs or healers. But to me, it seems evident that they backed themselves into a corner with healer design. What was it Urianger said...? "We can accept [Healer dps], or defy it, but we cannot deny it."

2. What changes, no holds barred, would you like to see? Pipedreams welcome.

Split Ranged DPS into their own Support role, increase dungeon size to 5 with 1 support, 2 damage dealers, 1 tank, 1 healer. 8 mans increase to 10 man with 2 support, 4 damage dealer, 2 tank, 2 healer. With the game's focus on DPS, they would still deal more damage than tanks, but with them not being full DDs, they don't have to end up competing for spots with full-fledged DDs.

You said pipedreams welcome lol

3. What changes do you expect we'll get?

I'm trying to expect nothing, because then I can't really be disappointed. :/

Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Split Ranged DPS into their own Support role, increase dungeon size to 5 with 1 support, 2 damage dealers, 1 tank, 1 healer. 8 mans increase to 10 man with 2 support, 4 damage dealer, 2 tank, 2 healer. With the game's focus on DPS, they would still deal more damage than tanks, but with them not being full DDs, they don't have to end up competing for spots with full-fledged DDs.

You said pipedreams welcome lol :/

This please! With as many dps as we have and are given throughout expansions, and with the dev. team's prioritization of equalizing how many jobs are within each role, this would alleviate soooo many issues.