Concept of other worlds

[Yuyuka3]

My one question is in regards to how we travel there. Didn't Arbert say that they had to die in order to travel to the source? That would make traveling from Crystarium to Gridania to unlock Gunbreaker difficult.

To quote myself from a different topic:

Not quite sure where to put this and if it has been posted somewhere here already, but Yoshida actually addressed travel between dimensions in an interview on Saturday:

Q: Will we be able to travel between the First world and the Source?

A: It's possible with the WoL's power of the echo. It's an extremely convenient setup *laughs* but the echo allows you to cross between dimensions and parallel worlds. During the WoD arc in Patch 3.4, the former WoLs from the First world abandoned their lives to come to the Source, but there is a way to move without doing that, which will also be explained in the MSQ. You can think of it as something that amplifies the power of the echo. Relax, your WoL won't be dying *laughs* Once you've been there, you'll be able to teleport.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_with_yoship/

There you go!
#TheEchoDidIt

Also, as stated before, we already did travel to a Shard - the 13th, to be more specific, via... Crystal Tower! Coincidence? I think not...

[Enkidoh]

That does not explain how Thancred manages to get there too (as he's shown running with Reborn!Minfilia under Bizzaro!Limsa Lominsa Eulmore in the trailer after all, meaning he is definetely going to the First with us - the develiopment team confirmed long ago that Thancred, along with all the Archons except Krile do not have the Echo at all, so that's either a plot oversight or something else allows him to crossover....).

Hmmmm.....

[Yuyuka3]

That does not explain how Thancred manages to get there too (as he's shown running with Reborn!Minfilia under Bizzaro!Limsa Lominsa Eulmore in the trailer after all, meaning he is definetely going to the First with us - the develiopment team confirmed long ago that Thancred, along with all the Archons except Krile do not have the Echo at all, so that's either a plot oversight or something else allows him to crossover....).

Hmmmm.....

I'd say our Echo is either the conductor for the travel, e.g. the tool with which we "throw wide open" the gate to the other dimension. Or, since Thancred is among those who got pulled there in spirit (wasn't he on of the, if not the, first?), it might be a manifestation of his soul or something? I don't know, I personally tend to the former tbh. Also, don't forget that last time we traveled to a shard (the 13th/World of Darkness), Nero also got there through the rift, so it's possible for someone without the ability to manipulate aether to travel to a shard if somebody else opens the way for them. We will have to wait and see on that, maybe we will get the answer as soon as tomorrow!

[MrThinker]

I'd say our Echo is either the conductor for the travel, e.g. the tool with which we "throw wide open" the gate to the other dimension. Or, since Thancred is among those who got pulled there in spirit (wasn't he on of the, if not the, first?), it might be a manifestation of his soul or something? I don't know, I personally tend to the former tbh. Also, don't forget that last time we traveled to a shard (the 13th/World of Darkness), Nero also got there through the rift, so it's possible for someone without the ability to manipulate aether to travel to a shard if somebody else opens the way for them. We will have to wait and see on that, maybe we will get the answer as soon as tomorrow!

I'd say your first idea could be a possibility. As for the Scions' souls physically manifesting.... I'm more inclined to think that Mr. Mysterious-Voice-Crystal-Arm-Who-Is-Definitely-Not-G'raha-Tia-Unless-It-Is may or may not have developed clone bodies for the Scions to inhabit in a similar fashion to how Doga and Unei said they passed their souls on to their clones. As for us? Well, if we are able to simply 'teleport' between worlds without having to directly use the Crystal Tower, then I think it is likely that we are in our original bodies, and its the Super-charged-Echo that allows us to defy the barriers between worlds.

[Yuyuka3]

I'd say your first idea could be a possibility. As for the Scions' souls physically manifesting.... I'm more inclined to think that Mr. Mysterious-Voice-Crystal-Arm-Who-Is-Definitely-Not-G'raha-Tia-Unless-It-Is may or may not have developed clone bodies for the Scions to inhabit in a similar fashion to how Doga and Unei said they passed their souls on to their clones. As for us? Well, if we are able to simply 'teleport' between worlds without having to directly use the Crystal Tower, then I think it is likely that we are in our original bodies, and its the Super-charged-Echo that allows us to defy the barriers between worlds.

True, I didn't think about the possibility of clone bodies... that would make a lot of sense, considering where our hooded friend who is not G'raha, no, no, is...

[MrThinker]

I mean it could also be that all the 'Silver Tear lakes' of the Shards and Source are actually connected, and that was 'the real secret' of the lake this entire time (and why Midgardsormr was defending it). Meaning we just throw ourselves into the lake to travel between worlds and why Lakeland is the first area of the First we arrive in (I'm just spit-balling this idea).

Either way, in just about 11 hrs from now, we should get our answers.

[Zohar_Lahar]

I mean it could also be that all the 'Silver Tear lakes' of the Shards and Source are actually connected, and that was 'the real secret' of the lake this entire time (and why Midgardsormr was defending it). Meaning we just throw ourselves into the lake to travel between worlds and why Lakeland is the first area of the First we arrive in (I'm just spit-balling this idea).

With Crystarium being a throwback to early concept designs for XIV, perhaps now they'll finally settle the matter of the "Presence of Silvertear Lake" in Shadowbringers. For whatever reason, Heavensward & Stormblood never did explain why Midgardsormr was guarding that lake, and from the Garlean invasion, despite apparently letting Allag and Mhach set up dangerous civilization near it. It remains one of the biggest plot holes in XIV.

[Brightamethyst]

As far as Evil!Derplander and his party are concerned, it's clear now that Elidibus merely lied to them that death was theonly way to travel to the Source (remember: Ascians lie), as it not only served his ends it also allowed a convenient means of eliminating them if they decided to slip their Ascian-held leashes (sending their souls onto the Lifestream), and that physical travel between the Source Hydaelyn and the Shards is possible, although it could just be a handwave to allow Shadowbringers's premise to even work.

Elidibus didn't necessarily lie to them. Just because the WoL can do it in the here and now doesn't mean WoD and co. could have back then. It was probably true that traveling to the Source was a one way trip for them. We presumably have the advantage of being both more powerful, and having a towering crystalline gateway.

[Dualblade]

Elidibus didn't necessarily lie to them. Just because the WoL can do it in the here and now doesn't mean WoD and co. could have back then. It was probably true that traveling to the Source was a one way trip for them. We presumably have the advantage of being both more powerful, and having a towering crystalline gateway.

Two things to add to this. 1.) He doesn't seem to know who is calling to us in our battle against him, and 2.) Its very possible the Figure would not want to work with him and prevents him from using the CT of the first, if Elidibus even knows it can be used to travel between the First and the Source. Our adventure into the Void/13th was specifically because it was already connected via the Cloud of Darkness so he might not have known it could send someone to other shards.

Of course even if he does both know the Figure and that the CT can be used to go between Source and Shard, doesn't mean he would want the Edgelander and co to survive. They ARE his enemies after all.

[Johaandr]

Besides all the lore and stuff. I still stand on wanting stuff to be on hydealyn honestly.
Like example if we finish ShB i assume that the first world will still be a accessable but, will there be stuff to do as you normally would on Hydealyn?? perhaps they add new gran company, retainer etc. And if we can teleport DIRECTLY theu teleport menu as if we can teleport from Limsa to kugane then... i would find it odd aswell. I hope you have to walk to crystal tower inorder to let you visit first world and use aether teleport from there on to visit first world towns, and not Limsa to Crystarium.

Now im bit out of topic...

Im kinda getting mixed feelings about this whole thing. I just have to wait for this summer to come and get over it, and hopefully get some answear out of it.