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  1. #571
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    and i am not sure where the players fall on this issue.
    Well no one knows, but since the complaints stem near entirely from savage/ultimate content, and based on the fact that only a teeny tiny portion of the player does that, I'd wager the don't minds far outweigh the do minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    If that were the case, DRK probably should have been a DPS rather than a tank. I am not against DNC being a DPS, but it's not unreasonable to say SE *could* have made it a healer since they have changed certain classes from what they have been in all previous incarnations.
    I'm guessing they made DRK a tank is because in IV it was essentially the opposite to PLD. I would have liked DNC to be a healer, but what can you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    Well no one knows, but since the complaints stem near entirely from savage/ultimate content, and based on the fact that only a teeny tiny portion of the player does that, I'd wager the don't minds far outweigh the do minds.
    You say that, and yet sub counts hit a huge low in 3.0 and 3.1, because gordias broke the raiding scene. There were actually a ton of raiders in the coil days. Even on balmung, the rp server, you'd see dozens of people every night at the different coil entry points.

    I quit raiding for over a year because of it, only getting back in with creator. Most of my friends did too, or took breaks from the game.

    Raiders may h not make up a huge portion of the player base, but it's enough to see issues when they break the raiding scene.
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  4. #574
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    I'm guessing they made DRK a tank is because in IV it was essentially the opposite to PLD. I would have liked DNC to be a healer, but what can you do?
    Probably. I am fine with DRK being a tank rather than a DPS as well, just using it as an example to counter the "they want everything to match past incarnations" since it's not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You say that, and yet sub counts hit a huge low in 3.0 and 3.1, because gordias broke the raiding scene. There were actually a ton of raiders in the coil days. Even on balmung, the rp server, you'd see dozens of people every night at the different coil entry points.

    I quit raiding for over a year because of it, only getting back in with creator. Most of my friends did too, or took breaks from the game.

    Raiders may h not make up a huge portion of the player base, but it's enough to see issues when they break the raiding scene.
    That's why I specified in an earlier post that I was speaking of light imbalance, not something game-breaking such as that was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    Truth. As long as it is not broken imbalanced, I would sacrifice a little here or there for a bit of creativity.
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    Last edited by Aramina; 04-08-2019 at 01:56 AM. Reason: sounded snarky without intending to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    That's why I specified in an earlier post that I was speaking of light imbalance, not something game-breaking such as that was.
    raiders generally consider an imbalance of even 10% game breaking.

    basically if dancer could heal/support enough to win, while outputting even the weakest dps damage, most raiders would probably consider that broken, and all other healers would be worthless to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    Probably. I am fine with DRK being a tank rather than a DPS as well, just using it as an example to counter the "they want everything to match past incarnations" since it's not true.
    Well technically, like I said in an earlier post, DRK can do a fair amount of DPS, but only in short bursts. You can evaporate a health bar if done right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramina View Post
    I think they mean specializations, like on WoW. If you are unfamiliar, as an example a Druid in Wow can be either a tank OR a melee dps OR a ranged dps OR a healer. A Paladin can be a tank, or a melee dps, or a healer. So on and so forth.
    Specializations also solve the issue with buttons bloating. The same skill can have different effect based on the current "stance" (like Warrior's Fell Cleave/Inner Beast, Monk's shoulder tackle).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    raiders generally consider an imbalance of even 10% game breaking.

    basically if dancer could heal/support enough to win, while outputting even the weakest dps damage, most raiders would probably consider that broken, and all other healers would be worthless to them.
    It's quite the opposite I think. Raiders in general won't consider slight imbalance as game breaking. The ones that do are those speed runners and log padders, which is just a small part of the raiders.

    And I don't think SE should rework the jobs or limit their creativity on creating new jobs based on how the jobs might be 5% less effective than some others in speed runs.

    Also that 5 or 10% difference mostly applied in case when the jobs are played with high skilled players in specific party composition. Most statics or pugs will have different skills and party comp where this difference is even more insignificant.
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    They've answered the spec question before; basically what they said is rather than making a spec they just make a new job instead. That's the official reasoning anyway even if it is weird. Perhaps they don't want to deal with the SMN/SCH situation again that were both offshoots from ACN although they figured out a way around it now with traits that replace spells, role actions and deleting stat points.

    Honestly I'm a bit curious with the direction they are going in - if they can't figure out how to balance a job they'll just make it a barebones limited. They could even decide to make a new set of jobs that can do everything but higher difficulty things too if they wanted. So not as limited as BLU, but banned from Savage/Ultimate. Seems like the next logical step if they care about balance that much.
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