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    BillyKaplan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzel120 View Post
    Yoshi also said the reason they added Gunbreaker was to have another option to WAR for OT since PLD and DRK both are used primarily as MT.
    DRK rework
    Balance the tanks so they won't fail at their own designated role
    Balance the tanks so they're competitive with the other tank in their designated role
    Balance the tanks to they can perform adequately at the role they weren't designated for in case of a pug

    That seems like a lot of balancing to do for tanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    DRK rework
    Balance the tanks so they won't fail at their own designated role
    Balance the tanks so they're competitive with the other tank in their designated role
    Balance the tanks to they can perform adequately at the role they weren't designated for in case of a pug

    That seems like a lot of balancing to do for tanks
    LOL right... imagine your class is designed to be the useless DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    DRK rework
    Balance the tanks so they won't fail at their own designated role
    Balance the tanks so they're competitive with the other tank in their designated role
    Balance the tanks to they can perform adequately at the role they weren't designated for in case of a pug

    That seems like a lot of balancing to do for tanks
    Yeah when they will fail in 5.0, all their balancing ressources will goes their.
    So, it's easy to imagine they will skip healers for the first half of the expansion, then fail to rectify balance of healer for the other half.
    And for finish, give us the same excuse for no new healers in 6.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    All I want is one expansion where they reanalyze the jobs and make massive adjustments to unhomogenize them. This is Final Fantasy 14 not Club penguin I dont wish for jobs that only have 5 buttons going for them or play exactly the same as 2/3 other jobs.
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    This current card system needs to be unwritten, destroyed and never returned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzel120 View Post
    Yoshi also said the reason they added Gunbreaker was to have another option to WAR for OT since PLD and DRK both are used primarily as MT.
    Wait... what? That's bizarro level bull right there.WAR is always the MT these days.
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    I wanted a new healer too but meh, shit happens, get over it.
    I can't wait how 5.0 will screw over SCH again tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    I'm sorry I offended you both so much with my post O.o

    It wasn't my intention to do so.

    I'm free to post just as both of you are, so its fine! Don't worry so much about it, and it is fine if you disagree with my feedback or opinions. So relax~
    eh? I'm not offended. Simply, instead of making thread after thread clogging the forum, you could have posted in one of the already existing healer threads. I guess organized threads are just a JP forum prerogative tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi View Post
    Simply, instead of making thread after thread clogging the forum, you could have posted in one of the already existing healer threads. I guess organized threads are just a JP forum prerogative tho
    I looked at the other threads, but they had titles which didn't really suit my feedback, and I didn't want to hijack someone elses thread due to mine being quite a large and long post that covers a lot of things that might derail their topic even a little bit. Felt better to just make my own since it was my sole opinions and feedback and not speaking for anyone else or their exact topic.

    I rarely make threads, or even post anymore, so honestly I feel like your crusade is being aimed at the wrong person


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    On the bright side, OP... all jobs are being reworked for 5.0. So it might be the case that whichever healer you main changes significantly to "scratch the itch" or perhaps one of the other healer jobs will change significantly that you will want to play that instead. Which is at least kind of like getting a new job. ^_^

    Would have been nice to have tank and healer this go around, but that just means it SHOULD definitely be next time.
    Yeah I agree with that sentiment, but I am still really disappointed simply due to the length of time the FFXIV team has left healers hanging. It's too long in my opinion, and I really feel they failed their healer fans right now and could have done this better.

    If I continue to play though I might just play RDM or DNC, not sure yet....


    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    to summarize, what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
    I'll get back to you on this, I have errands to run and I don't have time right now to make a bigger post.
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    i get that there hasnt been much growth in your chosen field.

    but, i wonder what exactly would you want from a new healer? I feel like the reason they have no new healers is because there isnt much a new healer would bring to the table. Unless they were willing to make some healer types that bend or push the combat system overall.

    i agree that dps isnt drastically different either, but dps can be allowed to be bad, tank and healer are generally designed where as long as you try, you will probably be adequate.


    to summarize, what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    i get that there hasnt been much growth in your chosen field.

    but, i wonder what exactly would you want from a new healer? I feel like the reason they have no new healers is because there isnt much a new healer would bring to the table. Unless they were willing to make some healer types that bend or push the combat system overall.

    i agree that dps isnt drastically different either, but dps can be allowed to be bad, tank and healer are generally designed where as long as you try, you will probably be adequate.


    to summarize, what are you looking for in a new healer other than existing?
    That's because they are stuck trying to force a regen/raw (WHM) + shielder comp (SCH) and they actually have one job that can do both. (AST) So they caused this problem themselves because they decided they wanted to stick with the regen + shield comp and haven't tried to change it since AST was released, and they have to balance AST against both WHM AND SCH for two different slots in the same comp.

    Even though SCH is supposed to be a less efficient on demand healer (they have a lot of spike on cooldowns) since it is designed to be a preventive healer, the fairy itself does enough healing since a lot of stuff in the game doesn't hit very hard. So the fairy ends up a problem, too.

    All of this compounds with fight design, where healers can DPS 65-80+% of the time, which means a high power mp efficient healer like White Mage doesn't shine as much in it's supposed advantages leading to people to fall back to utility which they lack and the other two healers bring causing more balance problems.

    From where I'm sitting the lack of healer variety is their fault. If they can't figure out how to remove regen + shield comp, remove a sect from AST and add a 4th healer to fit the open slot. (Trying to balance AST vs WHM and SCH and another healer would be a disaster) or, remove the reliance on shields (perhaps shuffle more of it to tanks) and open up the healer mechanics a bit more.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 03-25-2019 at 02:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    From where I'm sitting the lack of healer variety is their fault. If they can't figure out how to remove regen + shield comp, remove a sect from AST and add a 4th healer to fit the open slot. (Trying to balance AST vs WHM and SCH and another healer would be a disaster) or, remove the reliance on shields (perhaps shuffle more of it to tanks) and open up the healer mechanics a bit more.
    They can make it so that the healers all have some capabilities regarding regen and shield, and then make the differences something else.
    AST has its cards, they can find something else unique to WHM and SCH. Then they can add another healers (also with regen and shield capabilities) with different unique trait from the current three.
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