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  1. #231
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    Neoyoshi's Avatar
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    Neoyoshi Kaligawa
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    Monk Lv 100
    I can imagine that this can be frustrating for people who choose to main Healers primarily in MMORPG's- you folk are a rare breed; and i do not envy the role of a Healer, and never will- it's a thankless job and probably the toughest to be even somewhat competent in; -nevermind mastering.

    But i'm optimistic that during the 5.0 cycle they'll introduce a new Healer.
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    Last edited by Neoyoshi; 03-26-2019 at 10:19 AM. Reason: Typos

  2. #232
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    Ayer2015's Avatar
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    Ayer Austen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth View Post
    Welp, a MrHappy interview went up and I can't say I'm ANY happier with the comments made by YoshiP. I love the guy... I really really do. But I'm sorry, from a Healer's perspective... this just doesn't fly with me. They've had 2 rounds of 'we are balancing things!' now and have not gotten it right. Only now are they going to rip everything down and rebuild? They could have brought a Ranged-physical DPS in with SB and instead brought a 4th Melee in. 'Balance the Classes' is still a bad reason to me at this point.

    EDIT: Lawl, Valkyrie and I posted it at the same time... XD
    I highly doubt the devs will make the degree of changes needed to achieve what Yoshi outlined in the MrHappy interview. We would be looking at a massive overhaul and partial redesign of 3 jobs..... I hope I'm wrong, but I expect to be underwhelmed come May. That said, I hope they do pull it off, because as it stands the healer kits are far too similar, and who know when we will see a new healer, if ever.
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  3. #233
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    Haxaan's Avatar
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    Haxaan Shivar
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I'm bummed that there isn't a new healer, mostly because I was excited for a Dancer Healer, but I am still VERY excited to see what they do with the current Healers. I'm an Ast main and I did not plan on changing that even if Dancer was a healer. I just hope that by taking this extra time to balance things more, especially with the new battle system reworks, that they will find a way to make each job feel more individualized yet have synergy no matter the configuration.
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  4. #234
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    Schan's Avatar
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    Schan Starfall
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    to be fair the whole we're adding a tank because we need more tanks so we can balance them followed by the we're not adding a healer because we need to balance them first before adding more left me scratching my head for a second.

    I need to understand the reasoning from their point of view. what is so different between tanking and healing that for tanks they need more tanks to make things balanced while it works the opposite way for healers?

    Maybe it was the wording... i dunno
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  5. #235
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    Tsalmaveth's Avatar
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    Verdandir Sadi
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I highly doubt the devs will make the degree of changes needed to achieve what Yoshi outlined in the MrHappy interview. We would be looking at a massive overhaul and partial redesign of 3 jobs..... I hope I'm wrong, but I expect to be underwhelmed come May. That said, I hope they do pull it off, because as it stands the healer kits are far too similar, and who know when we will see a new healer, if ever.
    My fear is that he's pinpointed SCH as being 'overpowered' and then said he wanted to 'simplify' WHM. I mean... that's just not cool to me on either count. SCH is one of the solid UNIQUE classes, right? And WHM doesn't really need to be made 'simple' it needs the utility of it brought up so that AST doesn't just stomp all over it tool-kit-wise. He seems to be missing the point of what PLAYERS are doing with the classes. When I worked in the game industry, one of the whole points of my job was to translate what PLAYERS were doing to the developers because(no I was not a community rep type, I was in a QA type position but part of my entire hiring point was that I was brought on with the full intent of 'please TELL US what actual PLAYERS are doing') and let me tell you, there was a lot of back and forth and arguments about it because it didn't always translate. What the 'intention' of the developer and what the players actually DO are really not always inline AT ALL. And that is often a problem. There has been a lot of talk that YoshiP doesn't want WHM/Healers to be DPSing? And yet that is NOT what players do. At. All. So what happens if the re-balancing is with that in mind? If that is the 'goal'? There may be a serious disconnect between the developer 'ideal' and the players actual 'play style'... and it's a concern.
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  6. #236
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    Khanscott's Avatar
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    Aevis Sylph
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    There are no healers in FFXIV. Just DPS that can heal other DPS.
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    Happiness is manditory.
    Not being happy is treason.
    Treason is punishable by death.

  7. #237
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    I'm more worried now that they're going to completely overhaul Healers.

    I'm worried because SE doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to reworking jobs (Bowmage anyone?) and we all know they don't do player testing.

    So we're essentially going to Beta test healers once ShB drops. Why am I confident in saying this?

    Because when SB was shown, all the healers raised concerns about WHM Lilies and SCH MP costs and lack of AoE. Nothing changed and both were released and criticisms were shown to be right.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #238
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    Tsalmaveth's Avatar
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    Verdandir Sadi
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Exactly, Deceptus. *SIGH*

    That was kind of what my job was back in the day. >_> So pardon me if I'm looking at all of this and just CRINGING at my desk.
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  9. #239
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    Inglis Eucus
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    Reaper Lv 100
    They should just make every job a dps job that has self healing skills. Know of another mmo like that Blade and Soul.
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  10. #240
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    LadyKairi's Avatar
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    Kaja White
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    They should just make every job a dps job that has self healing skills. Know of another mmo like that Blade and Soul.
    Gross. I came to XIV because of the 3 separate role. I can’t stand those mmos where everyone is just dps. Keep XIV as is.
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