Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Midareyukki]

Except for Moenbryda and her parents, and the researcher running the variant dungeons, and... what exactly are you trying to catch SE out on, anyway? There seem to be a number of them around the place. They don't need to be the important ones when the whole concept of Sharlayan's population is that it's a melting pot of different races and cultures.

Actually, my point is that it hasn't been retconned, just never been discussed, to the point it could easily be declared non-canon and officially overwritten without interfering with information in the game so far, only disrupting out-of-game resources like the naming conventions.

There is pretty clearly a Roegadyn population in Bozja in addition to the Hrothgar majority.

"Melting pot of cultures and populations" who can't bother getting one thing right about a race. Bravo.

Why do we rely on these people again?

And on the topic of retcons, uh, how about the fact that it has been declared that it was a Sharlayan misconception + the fact that we see it in-game? It doesn't have to be discussed when the actions made explicitly go against what was previously established. I know it's awkward, but not everything needs to be stated with words. If I claim to be a renowned painter and draw like a 5 year old, am I a painter just because I say so?
It's in the game.

Also, on your response to Zebra... Yeah, I think everyone knows that. If anything because Misija was a Roegadyn. Same as Gunnhildr. Whose race being covered up was kind of a major plot point and part of Misija's motivation for turning bad. ALSO, Bozja had a Caste system. Do you want to go to India and ask how many times the Untouchables had a major foothold in history and their cultural identity? How often their records actually mattered? In a Macro-scale, that is... you know... kinda like the topic we're on?

What? Where is this guy? What is he even saying?

You literally had to ask this when my PSU fried and I can't verify in-game, so I needed to do the roundabout thing! xD

First of all! Thank you Gamerescape for transcribing stuff. So, onward!

The Lv 80-90 Tradecraft Leves issued by Gygge in Sharlayan sometimes are requested by a guy called "Studium Substitute History Lecturer, Snoeharr". And virtually every single Tradecraft leve he appears in discusses either Garlean history or Bozjan history, sometimes even linking the two.

That Snoeharr is an NPC sitting at a bench in front of the library building in Sharlayan just above in the Northwestern part of the map. You can actually talk to him.

And he's always portrayed, both in those leves and in his own dialogue, as someone who wants to talk about a topic but no one cares to stay and listen to his lecture, with quotes as:

Before one can consider themselves a true scholar of Bozja, one must deepen their understanding of Hrothgar culture and its uniquely structured matriarchal soci─what's that? You haven't the time, eh? Well, then fetch me a good gunblade, and I shall leave you be. (History of the Hrothgar, Lv 82 Blacksmith leve)

The Garlemald Republic's evolution into an imperial state is quite fascinating, really. You see, the introduction of magitek technology was the─what's that? No time to chat? Well, then, if you can provide me with a reaper's war scythe, I shall take my leave. (Records of the Republic, Lv 84 Blacksmith leve)

and

The tale of the pauper who became king has been passed down for generations throughout Ilsabard. Close scrutinization of the names of locations described in the story, however, reveals the possibility that this Ivalice actually exis—what's that? You're not here for my lecture?(default quote)

Also, that quote cannot be entirely verified, because he changes dialogue with the MSQ. Currently he says...

The Ragnarok's return has brought with it numerous discoveries, particularly about the history of the sea of stars—I beg your pardon? You're still not here for my lecture?

So :| the only one who cares about Garlean history and has any insight on what very little exists on Bozjan lore... aaaaaand no one wants to hear him |D

Gee, imagine actually caring about the world you're building, hmmm....

[Iscah]

Gee, imagine actually caring about the world you're building, hmmm....

I think you're looking for offense where it isn't intended. "Scholars are boring" is a trope. He has to have some topic to talk about endlessly. It might as well be a series of nods to topics discussed elsewhere in the lore.

[XiRon]

Also, on your response to Zebra... Yeah, I think everyone knows that. If anything because Misija was a Roegadyn. Same as Gunnhildr. Whose race being covered up was kind of a major plot point and part of Misija's motivation for turning bad. ALSO, Bozja had a Caste system. Do you want to go to India and ask how many times the Untouchables had a major foothold in history and their cultural identity? How often their records actually mattered? In a Macro-scale, that is... you know... kinda like the topic we're on?


Gee, imagine actually caring about the world you're building, hmmm....

Except the OG Gunnhildr was hrothgar, which is why all the murals are of her with cat ears and theres lion statues all over DR.
The geniuses who wrote Bozja decided EVERY QUEEN should bare the name Gunnhildr because...why? and Misijas great grandma or something was a Queens UNDERSTUDY who replaced the actual queen because she refused to sacrifice herself to save Bozja. (correct if wrong).
And frankly the caste system never mattered. "Everything was better under Garlemald" except Misija is 29 and her second field note says Garlemald conquered Bozja 50 years ago (I believe it says "imposed its will" instead of conquered so theres wiggleroom but that doesnt matter because Misija sided with people who wanted to commit genocide over the indigineous race of Bozja because like all ff11 rejects she has an "I got mine jack" philosophy).

[XiRon]

Except for Moenbryda and her parents, and the researcher running the variant dungeons, and... what exactly are you trying to catch SE out on, anyway? There seem to be a number of them around the place. They don't need to be the important ones when the whole concept of Sharlayan's population is that it's a melting pot of different races and cultures.




There is pretty clearly a Roegadyn population in Bozja in addition to the Hrothgar majority.

1) catching se out on their pretty marketable race bias which is so bad Sharlayan in cutscenes is just Ishgard TWO
2) There should never have been anyone but hrothgar in Bozja, the others are only there bc the devs were too lazy to program women. Au Ra got two nations all to themselves, Viera got Golmore transplanted from 12, why did hrothgar get nothing, AGAIN. They may well as not have been in bozja for as little narrative use as they got over Garlean Nazis + pretty au ra who has has HAS to take up story time with her lame crush on Cid

[Iscah]

Au Ra got two nations all to themselves, Viera got Golmore transplanted from 12, why did hrothgar get nothing, AGAIN.

Hrothgar have Bozja as much as those other races have their locations – especially if you count Raen and Xaela as the independent cultures they are.

And no, the Thavnairian Raen do not have Thavnair all to themselves, but share it equally with Hyurs and Arkasodra. And they certainly don't have the Far East to themselves.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

"Scholars are boring" is a trope.

A bad trope. This is exactly the same as talking with Erik where the player character is such an absent-minded scatterbrain they can't focus on the converstaion for two seconds, proving the Professor's asshatty remarks accurate. At least you can ask Erik to provide some info afterwards. I doubt any information is available here.

Let's be honest, it's just an excuse to not write the lore until it's absolutely necessary, even though simply throwing a bone would be better than nothing.

[Pip_Chick]

"Melting pot of cultures and populations" who can't bother getting one thing right about a race. Bravo.

Why do we rely on these people again?

And on the topic of retcons, uh, how about the fact that it has been declared that it was a Sharlayan misconception + the fact that we see it in-game? It doesn't have to be discussed when the actions made explicitly go against what was previously established. I know it's awkward, but not everything needs to be stated with words. If I claim to be a renowned painter and draw like a 5 year old, am I a painter just because I say so?
It's in the game.

Also, on your response to Zebra... Yeah, I think everyone knows that. If anything because Misija was a Roegadyn. Same as Gunnhildr. Whose race being covered up was kind of a major plot point and part of Misija's motivation for turning bad. ALSO, Bozja had a Caste system. Do you want to go to India and ask how many times the Untouchables had a major foothold in history and their cultural identity? How often their records actually mattered? In a Macro-scale, that is... you know... kinda like the topic we're on?



You literally had to ask this when my PSU fried and I can't verify in-game, so I needed to do the roundabout thing! xD

First of all! Thank you Gamerescape for transcribing stuff. So, onward!

The Lv 80-90 Tradecraft Leves issued by Gygge in Sharlayan sometimes are requested by a guy called "Studium Substitute History Lecturer, Snoeharr". And virtually every single Tradecraft leve he appears in discusses either Garlean history or Bozjan history, sometimes even linking the two.

That Snoeharr is an NPC sitting at a bench in front of the library building in Sharlayan just above in the Northwestern part of the map. You can actually talk to him.

And he's always portrayed, both in those leves and in his own dialogue, as someone who wants to talk about a topic but no one cares to stay and listen to his lecture, with quotes as:





and



Also, that quote cannot be entirely verified, because he changes dialogue with the MSQ. Currently he says...


So :| the only one who cares about Garlean history and has any insight on what very little exists on Bozjan lore... aaaaaand no one wants to hear him |D

Gee, imagine actually caring about the world you're building, hmmm....

Dammit SE, Let me listen o this guy's stories!!! Whether they are bad or good, doesn't matter I still want to hear them out. But I guess I will have to wait until it will be plot relevant. It would have been nice if you could bring this guy a Gunblade (as a side quest) and he would tell you a little bit of lore about the Hrothgar, or a scythe and he would tell you more about Garlemald. It wouldn't need to be a long story, but maybe something short and interesting. Like the last days of the Queen before the Garlemald invasion or How Solus zos Galvus came to power.

[Burmecia]

We want hrothgals!!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Let's be honest, it's just an excuse to not write the lore until it's absolutely necessary, even though simply throwing a bone would be better than nothing.

Honestly, if the Hrothgar do see some more developed Lore with the inclusion of the Female Counterparts, Im all for it.
Sure, I can side with and be utterly freaking annoyed with how the Hrothgar lore has been handled thus far, but if we could see some more love their way with them as a 'Complete Race' then Id be fine with that.
The Lions havent gotten alot of love. And it would be a shame if come 7.0 they dont finally see it.

No Shade, but unlike the Viera crowd, we have been patient and 'mostly' trusting on the team to deliver later.
If our silence isnt rewarded, then it just proves and gives validation that being a pain is the only way to see results.
And I DONT want that to be the lesson learned after 4 years

[Midareyukki]

Honestly, if the Hrothgar do see some more developed Lore with the inclusion of the Female Counterparts, Im all for it.
Sure, I can side with and be utterly freaking annoyed with how the Hrothgar lore has been handled thus far, but if we could see some more love their way with them as a 'Complete Race' then Id be fine with that.
The Lions havent gotten alot of love. And it would be a shame if come 7.0 they dont finally see it.

No Shade, but unlike the Viera crowd, we have been patient and 'mostly' trusting on the team to deliver later.
If our silence isnt rewarded, then it just proves and gives validation that being a pain is the only way to see results.
And I DONT want that to be the lesson learned after 4 years

Before anyone chimes in with snark because you said that...

Yes, Hrothgars have been pretty quiet and patient.
When have you heard Hrothgars collectively say anything before the hairstyle fiasco?
The only reason you're hearing from us now is specifically because crap happened and our patience reached a limit.
Zanarkand is right.

Now... in comparison to Viera, at least Hrothgar lore is a bit more comprehensive than theirs since we get to explore snippets of Bozja and its past. For whatever that's worth. Because yes, while on one hand what we got was just rubble, fire and violence, there was a bit more characterisation there than Viera ever got. That shouldn't be dismissed.

However, this is a Final Fantasy game.

This is an MMORPG with dense worldbuilding.

They should take their world more seriously and explore it with more fairness.

I stuck with FF14 because it reminded me of FF12 with the way the world was dense before. I do take the lore seriously, and I like doing it. If this game is going to make fun of its own aspects, the aspects I enjoy, then I don't have an incentive to find any investment in it. That's not a mark of good story-writing. It just makes me feel like the authors are insecure about their own work.