Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[LinaAkayomi]

It all depends on if they look good to me. I was one of the people begging for Viera after Draggos were revealed, but the end result's animations are too dry for me to stay a female Veira given their head limits.

My standards are pretty much set on "Look feminine and have good/ interesting/ fun animations". The art we have now has me not worried about their appearance, the animations for Male Viera and Hrothgar gives me hope for their animations.

This is why I only swap between Fem Miqo and Fem Lala, they're the only two races that "fit me". I love seeing all other races out there, but I couldn't play as one of them for long. I hope Fem Hroths will also "fit me" because I really wanna play as one, even with the hairstyle/headgear limitations.
And the voices... I really hope their voices have variety... Male Hroths feel like they were all voiced by the same VA, they all sound so similar to each other...

[XiRon]

Assuming they want to go down that path. We know that they're not going for the old system and have preferred to make a constitution based on Garlean rule. Whether this means they'll be a republic or if they'll Magna Carta their Queen remains to be seen.

...actually, now I kinda want to see something like Bozja Restoration. To help promote Female Hrothgar a bit more after so long of them not being present.

Bozja cant have a queen anymore because that would defeat the freakong purpose of the Resistances stated goals of equality and representation for the people via democracy.
Unless they just shart out a pointless figurehead a la England to remind them of the "good old days" but what good old days when they didnt develop Bozja AT ALL beyond "we're too pitifully worthless to make a single female hrothgar in a sidestory based on a hrothgar homeland so uh the hrothgar queen wasnt always a hrothgar despite the fact that that defeats the purpose of what incredibly little lore we gave the race but whatever none of the playerbase cares about hrothgar besides hrothgar players so go screw <3!"

Sorry but Bozja is a sore spot because Ive never seen a multipatch side story be so incompetently stupidly badly written

[XiRon]

I am. I'm not allowed to play a fat catgirl even though we literally have NPC Miqo'tes with bigger bodytypes, at least let me play a big feral catgirl...

not to rain on your enjoyment of Lady Chai but according to leet haxxors her model is actually a big lala with ears plopped her head.

[Midareyukki]

Sorry but Bozja is a sore spot because Ive never seen a multipatch side story be so incompetently stupidly badly written

Believe me, as someone who absolutely adores Yasumi Matsuno's work, I'm the first one to call the Bozja plotline, its methodology, its execution and everything in-between like minor characters, an absolute disgrace.

We're not going to have a Queen like before xD relax. I'm just saying "if we have a Queen", she will not have the same power as before. And trust me, even in Europe, England's monarchy holds too much power, other countries aren't like that. They're just symbols, they barely even count as presidents. And Constitutional Monarchies =\= Absolute Monarchies, so there is that.

As for Bozja's plot itself... yeah it's a freaking disaster. FF14 was originally written in the same style as FF12, with a bit more fantasy added to it. Matsuno was even the reason Yoshida joined SE to begin with. Yasumi Matsuno's stories are almost always political and draw inspiration from medieval European politics and cultures. Which is why the writing is often a bit dry. And they can get quite dark, as seen in Tactics Ogre LUCT or FFT. Which is fine. But I feel like they forgot how 14 worked and it was inconsistently hopping between Matsuno-style of writing (dry, detailed, political, philosophical, character-driven) and usual 14-style of writing (fantastic, cinematic, 'creature under the bed'-esque, traditional RPG). That writing was just so dumbed down and riddled with clichés, and COVID did not help matters at all.

So we ended up with:
- Hrothgars having an inconsistent lore based on Sharlayan misconceptions (despite Hrothgar living in Sharlayan and Sharlayan being the city state of knowledge and compilation of empirical evidence)
- Misija and Gunnhildr being turned into Femroes
- The Blades being a couple NPCs we barely meet in FATEs before being killed off in the most insulting way possible (no fleshing out other than on text excerpts, turned into creatures in the patch we find a way to cure tempering, almost no mourning or recognition from the other members of Bozja)
- Cutscene Incompetence from our end
- The plot with Cid and the Bozja Incident is only relevant for one moment. And it collectively made people sigh because the fight with Varis isn't really a fight with Varis. Not that it matters anymore, you can get the Varis drops from PVP now... great job.
- Stupid plot clichés (Why are we listening to blind prophecies with zero preparation to secure the future we see?)
- Convoluted storyline that leads nowhere (the resolution to this plot is on texts you have to unlock, and even then it's made clear that it's not over yet and Gabranth is still out there, the Relics are in Garlean hands, half the antagonists get away with it scot free...)
- Characters that are treated poorly and with rushed writing (Dabog). Even the freaking Espers in FF12 had more characterization than this...
- Suddenly, Diabolos?? Ok pop off.

Bozja starts out "fine". Not great, but also not bad. Delubrum honestly ruined it for me and it legit made me hate listening to "Sochen Cave Palace". I really wanted to connect with the Blades. Seeing what was done to them made me feel sick. And Zadnor was just irritating and I couldn't wait for it to end.

Every step of the way, they found ways to irritate me more and more. I WANTED to save Dabog. Fat chance of that, we don't even avenge him properly, Sicinius is still out there. I WANTED there to be a resolution to Lyon, fat chance of that. I WANTED there to be consequences for Pagaga or Clarricie, but screw that. And I wanted the people of Bozja, Landis and Dalmasca to get their revenge on Gabranth, but again, fat chance of that! The only character that was treated somewhat decently for the player was Misija, and there was absolutely no catharsis there because even that the writers couldn't help themselves.

It's like they asked Yasumi Matsuno to write the plot, he did it on a napkin and they rolled with the draft. Sure, they could have had another zone to expand on this, but couldn't due to COVID. But then just adapt! Don't shove everything you've got on the last zone. Save it for some other time. We know they're planning on going back to Dalmasca in the future, but if people were already confused in Return to Ivalice and the plot was actually told to you flat out by speaking to Jenomis, do you think people will want to read unlockable snippets just to understand what's going on? Not to mention how not everyone will understand how Gabranth's still around, as many didn't unlock the snippets nor done the last Dabog instance to see what technology the Garleans have.

It made me not want to see Matsuno in 14 again. And it's such a shame because I was really looking forward to it, especially seeing him be the one to expand on Hrothgar lore. All in all, it was an utter waste.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I believe part of the issue is the fact, literally, we didnt have a Design for a Female Hrothgar model.
Which alone is a sad crime, but then to see it so brutally kneecap the Bozja Storyline and its lore is a near Cardinal sin.
I wish we could in some way get a do-over, because I loved Bozja...but the lack of a Female Hrothgar really frickin hurts it.

IDK....especially because of the Final Days, I dont have faith that they could just just continue the plotline that got cut short and make some side content.
Bah, Im just getting myself depressed over what could have been. This wait better be worth it.

[SturmChurro]

I am. I'm not allowed to play a fat catgirl even though we literally have NPC Miqo'tes with bigger bodytypes, at least let me play a big feral catgirl...

Playable fat miqo'te? What kind of body type would you like for female hrothgar?

Believe me, as someone who absolutely adores Yasumi Matsuno's work, I'm the first one to call the Bozja plotline, its methodology, its execution and everything in-between like minor characters, an absolute disgrace.

Bozja should have had a hrothgar hrothgar queen. I am among those who would have rather seen female hrothgar first before male viera (if it was one or the other), but in a story telling perspective it also would have made more sense... in the hrothgar homeland.. to see, like, AT LEAST one female hrothgar even if it was unique model.

[Midareyukki]

I am. I'm not allowed to play a fat catgirl even though we literally have NPC Miqo'tes with bigger bodytypes, at least let me play a big feral catgirl...

Playable fat miqo'te? What kind of body type would you like for female hrothgar?

Odds are we're going to get Femroe bodies for female Hrothgar. I don't think those count as fat?

Bozja should have had a hrothgar hrothgar queen. I am among those who would have rather seen female hrothgar first before male viera (if it was one or the other), but in a story telling perspective it also would have made more sense... in the hrothgar homeland.. to see, like, AT LEAST one female hrothgar even if it was unique model.

My opinion of the whole Bozja crap is this:

The writing was a mess, the execution was inconsistent and the ending was the biggest disappointment I've had all game. For the aforementioned reasons, sure, but the majority of it I personally think it's my fault for being so emotionally invested in something that would fail. We can blame whoever we want for the reason why it failed, but it wouldn't have such an impact had I not poured so much care for it.

I think they should have saved Bozja for Endwalker. Why?
a) We were still on the First. We could have used Gerolt's clone. We could have expanded and explored the First.
b) Femgars weren't even on the table at the time, and Hrothgar lore was very superficial (again, based on MISCONCEPTIONS which really need to be edited out because now we know those things are false!)
c) We just saw Garlemald get freed and every Legion be on its own. It'd make so much more sense to do it now.

It was just a waste overall. Both in how it was executed, but when. Because we have stuff elsewhere that would better fit a relic at the time than Bozja.

[Pip_Chick]

Playable fat miqo'te? What kind of body type would you like for female hrothgar?

I think the most likely body type would be something in between Fem Roe and Fem Highlander, with a little bit of fem Elezen in the mix. The most probable situation is that they would take those 3 and make a new model that would either fit a fem Roe or a fem Highlander RIG. Kind of like how Viera is a mix between a fem Midlander and a fem Elezen; but made in a new unique look, but still made to fit an Elezen RIG.

Bozja should have had a hrothgar hrothgar queen. I am among those who would have rather seen female hrothgar first before male viera (if it was one or the other), but in a story telling perspective it also would have made more sense... in the hrothgar homeland.. to see, like, AT LEAST one female hrothgar even if it was unique model.

With that I agree, Bozja's queen SHOULD have been a Hrothgal due to their lore, but sadly they didn't have a fem Hrothgar model and instead of pulling a Yugiri on us (aka making a model that would have the general proportions of a Hrothgal, but keep their head masked as to not need to create that just yet) they chose to make them both fem Roe. As for Male Viera, I was with you on that one, we had seen fem Ronso in FFX both as NPCs in the village and in the Blitzball game, while Male Viera were never seen before FFXIV, but I am guessing that they did them first because of the "crab emoji" Male Viera "crab emoji" crowd, the fan demand being higher for them and to just make the hardest one first. Male Viera were never seen before so they had to create them from nothing, maybe to them that was harder than making a fem Hrothgar model since they can pretty much look at their FFX counterpart and take from that.

[Pip_Chick]

Here is how female Ronso looked in FFX:



From this we can take the model and make some obvious changes:
1. Their ear placement will be moved just like it is on their male counterpart.
2. As it was for Female Viera the torso will more than likely stay the same.
3. As it was with Female Viera their hands will not reach their knees nor have claws.
4. Their legs will be changed from digitigrade to normal human feet.
5. Their tail will likely not be as long (though I wish they would), since neither the males were kept with their long tails.
6. The face is animalistic and lioness-like, just like the males they will get some definition and a more lion-than-man head, but with enough stylisation that their expressions will be clear for the human eye.
8. We will probably not get this cute outfit as starting gear since the males didn't get theirs either.

[XiRon]

Here is how female Ronso looked in FFX:



From this we can take the model and make some obvious changes:
1. Their ear placement will be moved just like it is on their male counterpart.
2. As it was for Female Viera the torso will more than likely stay the same.
3. As it was with Female Viera their hands will not reach their knees nor have claws.
4. Their legs will be changed from digitigrade to normal human feet.
5. Their tail will likely not be as long (though I wish they would), since neither the males were kept with their long tails.
6. The face is animalistic and lioness-like, just like the males they will get some definition and a more lion-than-man head, but with enough stylisation that their expressions will be clear for the human eye.
8. We will probably not get this cute outfit as starting gear since the males didn't get theirs either.

christ do I wish male hrothgar got Kimahris outfit as base race gear like gods golden children viera got Frans outfit but oh no that would actually be enjoyable for hrothgar.