Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Caurcas]

Sure, but again, Hrothgar were always niche (and SE knew that going in), so the "player engagement" argument doesn't even work. I see no reason to not continue in that same niche vein.

Hrothgar were a success though, player engagement wise. They outdid Roes of both varieties. However, like many have pointed out male and female character and racial design are two very different beast. What works for males most of the time does not work for females and vice-versa.

[EtherRose]

Why is everyone ganging up on Aveyond-Dreams? I know what they are trying to say even if their explanation is all over the place. They simply want female Hrothgar to not look like the male Hrothgar in terms of how bulky and how much muscle they have. Female Hrothgar can still look powerful and elegant with toned down muscles. They just won't look ripped like they are some body builder.

I think some of you are just being completely dense and screaming "Misogyny" for no reason.

[Rokke]

Because if you ignore their posts about what women should/shouldnt look like, their posts can be shortened to "I want to play a miqote but I dont want to play a miqote". They want a human faced human shaped human with kitty ears.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Why is everyone ganging up on Aveyond-Dreams? I know what they are trying to say even if their explanation is all over the place. They simply want female Hrothgar to not look like the male Hrothgar in terms of how bulky and how much muscle they have. Female Hrothgar can still look powerful and elegant with toned down muscles. They just won't look ripped like they are some body builder.

I think some of you are just being completely dense and screaming "Misogyny" for no reason.

Yeah we’re the ‘dense’ ones here.

Sure.

[Mirhd]

Hrothgar were a success though, player engagement wise. They outdid Roes of both varieties. However, like many have pointed out male and female character and racial design are two very different beast. What works for males most of the time does not work for females and vice-versa.

Outdoing Roes doesn't say much and is still a niche, given Roes themselves are niche. Again, a niche isn't a bad thing, and nothing needs to appeal to everyone, never mind how impossible such a thing would be. As I mentioned before, cat-girls bore me but I have a Viera, and I won't be changing her to male either. Those who want super thin women with no muscle already have that, so no reason to make fem Hroths more of the same.

I think some of you are just being completely dense and screaming "Misogyny" for no reason.

You clearly didn't read all of said posters posts and the rebuttals to them then, either, if that's your entire take.

[Caurcas]

Outdoing Roes doesn't say much and is still a niche, given Roes themselves are niche. Again, a niche isn't a bad thing, and nothing needs to appeal to everyone, never mind how impossible such a thing would be. As I mentioned before, cat-girls bore me but I have a Viera, and I won't be changing her to male either. Those who want super thin women with no muscle already have that, so no reason to make fem Hroths more of the same.

Are Highlanders thin? I don't really think so, and that is the general body type I see advocated for outside of FemRoefridgerator people.

[Mirhd]

Are Highlanders thin? I don't really think so, and that is the general body type I see advocated for outside of FemRoefridgerator people.

Blatant hyperbole, calling them that. I mean... really? The males definitely fit; fem Roes aren't even close to anything resembling that. And yes, female Highlanders are thin, they're just toned and have better posture than Midlanders. Again, have a number of people in this thread just never seen actual female athletes that do any sort of lifting? Fem Roes are closer to that than anything, and Roes are meant to look powerful to begin with. If you can't tell the difference between the males and females, that's on you, chief.

[EtherRose]

Because if you ignore their posts about what women should/shouldnt look like, their posts can be shortened to "I want to play a miqote but I dont want to play a miqote". They want a human faced human shaped human with kitty ears.

Uh, no. Maybe you should actually read what they are saying instead of getting triggered. Granted, like I said, their ideals and explanation is all over the place but it all boils down to "I don't want female Hrothgar to look all bulky like the males". And then the conversation just went else where because you and others went back and forth.

Yeah we’re the ‘dense’ ones here.

Sure.

You're attitude says much about you.

You clearly didn't read all of said posters posts and the rebuttals to them then, either, if that's your entire take.

I did. The main point trying to be said is what I stated above in the first reply. Others didn't like the idea of a "Toned down Muscle-less female Hrothgar" apparently, and just went off.

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Overreacting on something miniscule is just beyond me.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

You're attitude says much about you.

Sorry, but misogyny gets on my nerves. As do defenders of it.

I don't respond to prejudice with a bright attitude and a winning smile.

[Senn]

Ok it's definitely starting to seem like you're more interested in pushing a...unique...ideological perspective.

And what ideological perspective would that be?