Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[EtherRose]

Don't know why people are assuming female hrothgar will be added in 7.0. I think people are completely forgetting that covid-19 delayed production by 3-4 months which would explain only male viera being at the start of Endwalker and Endwalker being released near the end of the year and not in June/July like the other expansions. Now that they say they are back on track it's highly likely that female hrothgar will be in 6.0 as well but at the half point+.

[Iscah]

Don't know why people are assuming female hrothgar will be added in 7.0. I think people are completely forgetting that covid-19 delayed production by 3-4 months which would explain only male viera being at the start of Endwalker and Endwalker being released near the end of the year and not in June/July like the other expansions. Now that they say they are back on track it's highly likely that female hrothgar will be in 6.0 as well but at the half point+.

I explained my reasoning in my previous post. It's been new races every second expansion so far, and 6.0 wouldn't get anything by that pattern; therefore getting male Viera now may be an early bonus rather than "both were supposed to be available now but one is behind schedule".

They specifically said that Viera could have been held back until both were ready, but they decided to release it individually. If anything that means they put all the work into them and haven't even started on Hrothgar yet.

[Fland]

Look at the current pattern of new race character model releases.

3.0 = male Au Ra and female Au Ra
5.0 = male Hrothgar and female Viera
6.0 = male Viera
?.? = female Hrothgar

Essentially up to now it's been "one new model per expansion, released in pairs every second expansion".

They said at Fan Fest that they could have held onto male Viera until female Hrothgar were also ready, but decided to release them one at a time. That may mean they're only getting worked on one at a time too, and they don't have anything else to show at this point.

It's not impossible that we'll get female Hrothgar within 6.X but it definitely fits the normal release pattern for them to arrive in 7.0.

If we do have to wait that long it's because we're getting Viera early, rather than Hrothgar late.

I mean if we're following the pattern then male viera would be paired up with female hrothgar.
And I think that was their plan before covid.
But from what Yoshi-P said in fanfest, it looks like the female hrothgar is close to be finished or at least on the final stage, but they're not confident it'd be ready for EW launch. So I think there's still a high chance we get it on 6.x patch.

[Iscah]

I mean if we're following the pattern then male viera would be paired up with female hrothgar.

Well yes, of course, but by the same pattern we would be getting both of them in 7.0.

So far all we know for certain is that we are getting one of them earlier than that, and were specifically told that we're getting it earlier than we would have if both were released together.

[ItMe]

Now that they say they are back on track it's highly likely that female hrothgar will be in 6.0 as well but at the half point+.

So I think there's still a high chance we get it on 6.x patch.

But races sell expacs.
Even if the models were ready and the devs wanted to release them, I doubt big papa SQEX would let them just add them in the middle of an expac when they could be released with a expac to catch attention and boost sales.

[Fland]

Well yes, of course, but by the same pattern we would be getting both of them in 7.0.

So far all we know for certain is that we are getting one of them earlier than that, and were specifically told that we're getting it earlier than we would have if both were released together.

By the same pattern we'd get both on 6.0, but then covid happened. So they're trying to compromise by releasing one first and the other a bit later. If femhroth is released in 6.x then it's technically still in the same expansion as its pair, the male viera.

I don't think it would be on 7.0 because, like other have mentioned in this thread, they would save the announcement that femhroth is coming much later closer to 7.0.
But then they did mentioned that it's coming on the last fanfest which means it most likely would be somewhere during EW.

But races sell expacs.
Even if the models were ready and the devs wanted to release them, I doubt big papa SQEX would let them just add them in the middle of an expac when they could be released with a expac to catch attention and boost sales.

Yes, they did hype it up by having male viera on expansion release AND confirming that femhroth IS coming. It's not as ideal as hyping the expac by having both at release, but it's the best they can do with covid. If femhroth is coming on 7.0 then shouldn't they save it to hype 7.0?

[Iscah]

By the same pattern we'd get both on 6.0, but then covid happened. So they're trying to compromise by releasing one first and the other a bit later. If femhroth is released in 6.x then it's technically still in the same expansion as its pair, the male viera.

3+2=5; 5+2=7

That's the pattern I'm seeing.

New races added in 3.0 and 5.0 indicate (based on an admittedly small set of data) that the next pair would be due in 7.0, but here we are getting one "early" and it's being delivered in 6.0, outside of the expected pattern.

I don't think it would be on 7.0 because, like other have mentioned in this thread, they would save the announcement that femhroth is coming much later closer to 7.0.
But then they did mentioned that it's coming on the last fanfest which means it most likely would be somewhere during EW.

I don't think it's guaranteed to be during Endwalker just because the existence of female Hrothgar was assured alongside the Viera reveal.

Even if they aren't coming until 7.0, I think the dev team have learned their lesson to not be coy about the fact that they are definitely coming at some point.

[Fukuro]

By the same pattern we'd get both on 6.0, but then covid happened. So they're trying to compromise by releasing one first and the other a bit later. If femhroth is released in 6.x then it's technically still in the same expansion as its pair, the male viera.

well no, by the normal pattern both would have been released 7.0.
3.0 au ri, 4.0 no races, 5.0 viera+ hrothgar - if they‘d follow the pattern we would have gotten no races 6.0 but both other genders 7.0, but they decided to release viera males earlier.
they even mentioned they thought about releasing them together (holding male viera off), but then decided to implement them 1 by 1. as iscah already stated, fem hroth didn‘t get „delayed“, we just got male viera earlier.

Yes, they did hype it up by having male viera on expansion release AND confirming that femhroth IS coming. It's not as ideal as hyping the expac by having both at release, but it's the best they can do with covid. If femhroth is coming on 7.0 then shouldn't they save it to hype 7.0?

well that could be them trying to avoid another shitstorm. if they wouldn‘t have mentioned fem hroths, i think many people would have been revolting xD

[Fland]

I don't think it's guaranteed to be during Endwalker just because the existence of female Hrothgar was assured alongside the Viera reveal.

Even if they aren't coming until 7.0, I think the dev team have learned their lesson to not be coy about the fact that they are definitely coming at some point.

AFAIR they never announce something is coming on fanfest keynote for a later expansion. There might things that they gave vague answer about like "I'll talk to the team" or "We'll see the player's response" during live letters, but not in this case.
It's not a 100% guaranteed of course, but I'd say the chance femhroth is coming sometimes during EW is higher than in 7.0.

they even mentioned they thought about releasing them together (holding male viera off), but then decided to implement them 1 by 1. as iscah already stated, fem hroth didn‘t get „delayed“, we just got male viera earlier.

That's not what I got from what he said tho. We didn't get male viera earlier, having it on 6.0 is their plan. They just couldn't get femhroth finished to be released together with male viera in 6.0. So yes, in this case femhroth is the one that is "delayed".

[Iscah]

AFAIR they never announce something is coming on fanfest keynote for a later expansion. There might things that they gave vague answer about like "I'll talk to the team" or "We'll see the player's response" during live letters, but not in this case.

This is a very irregular situation though. It's different to confirming a rumour about something that is purely speculative but has no reason to be confirmed.

By announcing male Viera they were left with two choices: let the fanbase spend another goodness-knows-how-long asking for female Hrothgar and/or debating their existence (with the inevitable subset either indignant or acting superior that only Viera were deemed worth completing), or short-circuit the whole lot of rage over nothing by assuring people that they will be coming at some point, regardless of when that point is.

Also it wasn't really an announcement in the usual way of showing something off, just an acknowledgement that this known thing will indeed be coming.