Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Allegor]

Yeah, they're technically a new race, which is a huge selling point for games and I highly doubt they'd be released mid expansion or else they wouldn't have been vague about adding them "later on".

It's still kind of a bummer than Bozja of all places would've been the ideal place and time to reveal them, but it is what it is.

[BlitzAceRush]

Yeah, they're technically a new race, which is a huge selling point for games and I highly doubt they'd be released mid expansion or else they wouldn't have been vague about adding them "later on".

It's still kind of a bummer than Bozja of all places would've been the ideal place and time to reveal them, but it is what it is.

I duno, while you're right that a new race (well, half of one) is normally an expansion seller, they've kind of blown the hype by revealing them. It worked for M-Viera because before the reveal we were still in speculation as to if they were coming or the when being potentially very far away, there was no official confirmation for them. They've officially confirmed F-Hroth, so I agree with Amnmaat that they should come within this expansion and 6.3 seems like good place for them, however as they've blown the suprise I do feel they need to do some work to keep the hype going, just showing some concept art/some renders if they have them before launch would do wonders for that, I don't think anyone's expecting their trailer but I think if people just got to see them, it would be enough till they arrive, providing it's with the expansion.

[Amnmaat]

Yeah, they're technically a new race, which is a huge selling point for games and I highly doubt they'd be released mid expansion or else they wouldn't have been vague about adding them "later on".

It's still kind of a bummer than Bozja of all places would've been the ideal place and time to reveal them, but it is what it is.

They would not say "we're adding female Hrothgar also" if it wasn't coming out this expansion. Why mention that they're coming when you could've saved that for 7.0's fanfest? No, they're definitely coming in Endwalker.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I believe they will come out before 5.3 for sure, 5.3 being the midpoint of the expansion around late holiday 2022. So we'll either get them summer 2022 or winter 2022.

People made similar speculations to Male Viera coming out middle of Shadowbringers...look what happened, have to wait till Endwalker.

They would not say "we're adding female Hrothgar also" if it wasn't coming out this expansion. Why mention that they're coming when you could've saved that for 7.0's fanfest? No, they're definitely coming in Endwalker.

They didnt explicitly say they were coming out in Endwalker either.
Maybe they are, maybe not.

[reivaxe]

Yeah, on one hand they COULD have said "Female Hrothgar are coming" simply to get the heat off their backs and let people know they haven't forgotten them. But at the same time they coulda also said "Female Hrothgar are planned to come in 7.0" if that were the case.

Saying "We decided to release them as we finish em, so MV in first 6.0 and Female Hrothgar after" leaves an impression. Personally, I don't think they would have made the mural or the clearly unique body for the Femroe Queen if they didn't have the design nailed down and wanted to drop hints. If they're that far that they feel comfy doing that, then it's not too strange to think we could be seeing them before 7.0 and given that they are a "known" thing that's coming, their reveal doesn't have to have the same set up as others.

[SturmChurro]

I don't know, I feel like there are a lot of different interpretations for "thicker". Some of the depictions I've seen on female hroth, do kind of look like "males with boobs". Also, I think players should keep in mind how some proposed depictions would actually look, translated to the game. With the game's graphics, animations, and outfits. Along with the fact, the more animalistic and "unique" the heads are, the higher chance they are going to be in the exact same state as male hroth, and have to fantasia to change to their other hair.

[Allegor]

or maybe, it just means anything other than conventionally pretty athletic/slim build, because 6, arguably 7 of the other females already have that exact body type.

Femroes are 'buff and masculine' only because they're huge and, much like their male counterparts [paraphrasing a quote I liked from elsewhere] - "they're not what people who like big characters like, they're what people who don't like big characters think people who like them like", even when Merlwyb is right there

[reivaxe]

or maybe, it just means anything other than conventionally pretty athletic/slim build, because 6, arguably 7 of the other females already have that exact body type - femroes are 'buff and masculine' only because they're huge

There is a whole world of body shapes that are not represented in this game that are "thicker" than what we have (and are not considered typically desired by mainstream media), yet somehow the depiction is always some beefed up inverted triangle that looks more masculine than Femroe. Where's the pear shaped love? How many are asking for them to look like "plus sized models"?

Also, no, Femroe look masculine because they have muscles with shoulders that are wider than their hips and a wide waist. Wide shoulders and narrow hips and muscle insure they look masculine regardless of their height setting. Lady D is 12ft tall (HUGE) and doesn't look buff or masculine.

[Caurcas]

Appealing to a niche or appealing to a wider audience, which will SE choose? I've got my money on the latter. Plus, refrigerator isn't a natural body shape.

[reivaxe]

Appealing to a niche or appealing to a wider audience, which will SE choose? I've got my money on the latter. Plus, refrigerator isn't a natural body shape.

Not a bone in my body thinks that SE looked at their Femroe, looked at what western MMOs races have to offer and thought "surely we should double down on the whole make-a-woman-with-masculine-measurements thing! That's what will get us the attention of furries in WoW and ESO with our 1 beast race females!".

To me, I see a lot of "Belief perseverance". IMO that mural points clearly at what the body shape will be compared to FemRoe and the fact that they gave the FemRoe Queen who took on the power of the Hrothgar Queen primal a unique body that matches the Hrothgals in said mural says everything I need to know about that. These are amazingly detail focused people who don't duck around with their story and lore and have been working on completing the races for some time now, they wouldn't do that unless they were sure that's how they look in that world and wanted people to see it.

IMO the real convo is "what will the face look like?" cause that's the only big thing that mural and NPC body doesn't address too clearly. The knocked it outta the park with the male's faces, and they know how to make pretty, so I'm not worried.