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  1. #31
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    Gula's Avatar
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Mateus
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Features.
    You have a chocobo stable outside the apartment, there is a moogle mailbox in the lobby, you can have 2 flower pots for gardening and the 1 aspect you'd be missing is cross breeding to which I think can be solved with a multi plant housing item. To this end, the absolute only feature you are missing are airships and workshop crafting, and for this, you need a Light party of other crafters. You can't do it alone even if you want to. So to that end, join a FC with a house.

    Some people don't want to join FCs, I get it. But- you have to party with people anyway, so 30 seconds of interaction is not an impossible concept if you really, really, really want those items... which can be sold on the MB. So in fact, you don't even really need the workshop because you can just buy it.

    Am I missing anything?
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  2. #32
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    OcieKo's Avatar
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    Ociela Koslun
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    Midgardsormr
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    If I could share my house with myself, I'd probably ditch one of my houses. Get that and a shared bank tho... Solo-FC and FC house poof so fast...
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  3. #33
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    Rufalus's Avatar
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    Lufie Newleaf
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 100
    The entry level to housing is buying an apartment (each ward has an apartment block) and joining an FC which owns an estate. Housing plots are unfortunately limited in number but owning one to build a personal house doesn't provide much more than those easily attainable alternatives. In the future they plan to make additional features available to apartments and, eventually, new wards will open with more plots.
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  4. #34
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    You have a chocobo stable outside the apartment, there is a moogle mailbox in the lobby, you can have 2 flower pots for gardening and the 1 aspect you'd be missing is cross breeding to which I think can be solved with a multi plant housing item. To this end, the absolute only feature you are missing are airships and workshop crafting, and for this, you need a Light party of other crafters. You can't do it alone even if you want to. So to that end, join a FC with a house.

    Some people don't want to join FCs, I get it. But- you have to party with people anyway, so 30 seconds of interaction is not an impossible concept if you really, really, really want those items... which can be sold on the MB. So in fact, you don't even really need the workshop because you can just buy it.

    Am I missing anything?

    Just made it sound horrible, imo. But clearly we are never going to agree. So many heavy limitations and "it's just like housing" does not flow to me, they are not just like houses imo and I guess we'll not agree because it's too many compromises for me to think that. If they are it's like calling shoe box just like a mansion. With the limited garden and missing features, no FC power, one room and massive item limitations, no outdoor furnishing, and no actual house exterior.



    If they added an actual outdoor area, full garden support, full size support, FC support, and some exterior control then I think I could see the argument being legitimate.
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  5. #35
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    Gula's Avatar
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Mateus
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post

    If they added an actual outdoor area, full garden support, full size support, FC support, and some exterior control then I think I could see the argument being legitimate.
    But that's the point of housing exclusivity. You want it, and just noticed you're on Balmung, you move to a low pop server with Smalls in abundance. If you're not willing to move, then you really don't want it that bad. You want a hand out.
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  6. #36
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Gula View Post
    But that's the point of housing exclusivity. You want it, and just noticed you're on Balmung, you move to a low pop server with Smalls in abundance. If you're not willing to move, then you really don't want it that bad. You want a hand out.

    Abandon your server and friends or you want a hand out? Wow... even with the new server system there are still large issues changing server homes. Also I think house exclusivity is a horrible concept that I hope gets purged, so I dont agree with your premise that leads to wanting a handout.
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  7. #37
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    GomJabbar's Avatar
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    Altair Aquila
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    Gilgamesh
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    Rogue Lv 55
    Meh... Really unpopular opinion here, but I like houses being exclusive. If you're willing to put in the work, you can get a house just about anywhere eventually. I've server hopped several times, always abandoning houses when I did so, and have always managed to get something new on my new server. And yes - this includes Balmung and Mateus... It's not magic; It's diligence and patience.
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  8. #38
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Adamantoise
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    Blacksmith Lv 90
    Rather you like it or not housing is built the way it's built and I don't see them burning it all down anytime soon. Rather than making post after post after post about your discontent, why not make suggest on how to improve apartments? Radical idea I know but give it a try, huh?
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  9. #39
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    Calista Fallon
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    Coeurl
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    Bard Lv 100
    I suppose I am just the average "filthy casual" that hunts, crafts, gathers, lore and script mines a lot and only runs dungeons when I have to or really want something. I enjoy and dote on keeping my house looking good. Housing to me, is important and a feature that should be available to all that want it. Been playing 3 yrs and was fortunate to begin with a small during the first year, with an upgrade to a medium a few months later. I also have a darling apt in the Mist that I enjoyed making into a flower shop I can only say for myself, that if I did not have my housing, I would not be subscribing on a regular basis.
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    Last edited by Besame; 04-02-2019 at 12:37 AM.
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  10. #40
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    Aranna Aran
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    Malboro
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    Scholar Lv 33
    Quote Originally Posted by GomJabbar View Post
    Meh... Really unpopular opinion here, but I like houses being exclusive. If you're willing to put in the work, you can get a house just about anywhere eventually. I've server hopped several times, always abandoning houses when I did so, and have always managed to get something new on my new server. And yes - this includes Balmung and Mateus... It's not magic; It's diligence and patience.
    I have mixed opinions on exclusive vs instanced and unlimited housing. While I can say that for myself I've had similar luck with getting a new house once server jumping, I feel that this is the opinion of someone who has not been actively looking in the last month, give or take. On the three servers I have actively played on recently, there were no houses available - of any size, in any ward, of any housing area. When one did become available, there was a rush of campers - multiple people setting themselves to /busy to stand at the sign and spam purchasing it as much as they could trying to snatch it as soon as it became available. So far, in the last two weeks, I've seen three such houses come available on Leviathan.

    This morning one was available on leviathan - may still be actually.... It was in Lavender Beds, in one of the worst spots possible. It may be the furthest from a bell and board that I've seen. When I was standing there for a short while trying my luck to purchase the house for my Free Company, there was at one point well over 15 others standing near or nearby trying as well. To me, that's a sign of there being something wrong with the system.

    Of course, with the demo timers coming back coupled with the data center merges, that very well may free up some plots.
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