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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    So I seem to have missed something - what is the lack of hats? :X
    Interview here.

    I mean, okay, refitting all those headpieces for new races is hard work, but this is the kind of basic stuff you expect to be done when a new xpac drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Apparently they couldn't figure out how to make hats work on the races before they promised them to the community.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._with_yoshida/
    Oopsie~
    Quote Originally Posted by Boreal View Post
    Interview here.

    I mean, okay, refitting all those headpieces for new races is hard work, but this is the kind of basic stuff you expect to be done when a new xpac drops.
    Thank you both! And I would agree - if you're making a new race, you kinda-sorta need to try and make gear work with it. Modify it if you need, but hiding it completely is just bad D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreal View Post
    Interview here.

    I mean, okay, refitting all those headpieces for new races is hard work, but this is the kind of basic stuff you expect to be done when a new xpac drops.
    It's like, do the basic things new races are expected to do (available to both sexes, be able to wear the gear of the game) or just don't add the race yet (or even at all)... Like this is bare minimum requirements for a finished player race!!!
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    You'll never take away my burger king crown.

    I mean I guess I can let it slide for a while. I'm curious where the twin Cross earrings will go that come with my crown.
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    Sometimes... I dream about cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreal View Post
    It's a small indie company, please understand. /s


    Seriously, though, it's also in their responsability to not bite off more than they can chew. I'd rather have a polished, complete xpac than one riddled with problems and weird choices, even if it meant waiting more time.
    Yes, at the moment it's all cutting corners in cosmetic (which, honestly, are very important for people in MMOs. There's a good reason Mogstation makes that amount of money) but it's already not a very good indicative of what is to come. Imo, it's the small details that shows the directions they are taking.
    Oh please, are you seriously going to push a strawman and try putting words in my mouth because I'm not screaming "BURN THEM"? Come on. Don't be rude.

    I never said I thought the constraints had to do with budget, and I certainly never called SE indie. They have a large staff and this is a high quality game with a lot of resources behind the team. However, it is still human beings making the thing. It takes a lot of time and effort, and if an ultimatum was given that the last races introduced will be in Shadowbringers it makes sense they'd prioritize getting both Viera and Hrothgar through the door. I never named who I thought was responsible specifically on an individual level for possible restrictions on the patch. And frankly, I never claimed to know everything either. But it would make more sense under these circumstances than SE pissing away money and making deliberate outrage because screw the fans. If you want that check out western media for a while.

    I agree it's not ideal for there to be unfinished elements. That said, SE is generally good about fixing these things. You can be wary without the level of hysteria people are showing right now. I want the new races too, but the "WE WANT IT NOW" attitude reads extremely spoiled.
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    I'm not really bothered about the hats. We know that being able to use them as the new races will come at some point. However the genderlocking could be forever : /
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    Oh please, are you seriously going to push a strawman and try putting words in my mouth because I'm not screaming "BURN THEM" along with you? Come on. Don't be rude.

    I never said I thought the constraints had to do with budget, and I certainly never called SE indie. They have a large staff and this is a high quality game with a lot of resources behind the team. However, it is still human beings making the thing. It takes a lot of time and effort, and if an ultimatum was given that the last races introduced will be Shadowbringers it makes sense they'd prioritize getting both Viera and Hrothgar through the door. I never named who I thought was responsible specifically on an individual level for possible restrictions on the patch. And frankly, I never claimed to know everything either. But it would make more sense under these circumstances than SE pissing away money and making deliberate outrage because screw the fans. If you want that check out western media for a while.

    I agree it's not ideal for there to be unfinished elements. That said, SE is generally good about fixing these things. You can be wary without the level of hysteria people are showing right now. I want the new races too, but the "WE WANT IT NOW" attitude reads extremely spoiled.
    "Small indie dev" a common jab at big, very rich companies saying they can't meet the standards that they themselves set in the past because "it's too hard" "we ran out of time" or "we don't have money." People use it with Blizzard all the time. I don't think they were targeting you with that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
    Dude, that's a common jab at big, very rich companies saying they can't meet the standards that they themselves set in the past because "it's too hard" "we ran out of time" or "we don't have money." People use it with Blizzard all the time.
    I've been studying how corporations do this kind of thing across media for a while. Those are legitimate issues. Not every person working within a company is rich, and there is still a matter of division of labor as well as managing deadlines. I said before and I'll repeat, I don't think think this is a money thing. I do think it's a time thing with an internal power struggle about what will or won't be done, which is honestly common at big companies. Business and creative workforce tend to butt heads from time to time.

    There are companies that legitimately don't try or care. Maybe it would have been better for SE to push release dates back, maybe it wouldn't have been. We don't have all the behind scenes information but even for big companies sometimes there are messes. As long as those messes are fixed it shouldn't be a deal breaker imo.

    When I made a post trying to discuss the actual logistics behind this and suggest it might not be personal or hopeless, that reply to me read overwhelmingly like it was going passive aggressive with some word twisting nonsense. I just don't have patience for that.

    Sometimes things don't work out in ideal ways, but this fandom has no middle ground between "it's perfect" and "it's absolute garbage". I get this isn't up to usual standards for SE. It's still way better than what most games do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    Oh please, are you seriously going to push a strawman and try putting words in my mouth because I'm not screaming "BURN THEM"? Come on. Don't be rude.

    I never said I thought the constraints had to do with budget, and I certainly never called SE indie. They have a large staff and this is a high quality game with a lot of resources behind the team. However, it is still human beings making the thing. It takes a lot of time and effort, and if an ultimatum was given that the last races introduced will be in Shadowbringers it makes sense they'd prioritize getting both Viera and Hrothgar through the door. I never named who I thought was responsible specifically on an individual level for possible restrictions on the patch. And frankly, I never claimed to know everything either. But it would make more sense under these circumstances than SE pissing away money and making deliberate outrage because screw the fans. If you want that check out western media for a while.

    I agree it's not ideal for there to be unfinished elements. That said, SE is generally good about fixing these things. You can be wary without the level of hysteria people are showing right now. I want the new races too, but the "WE WANT IT NOW" attitude reads extremely spoiled.
    I...was rude? I was kind of joking with the indie company comparision, as shown by the barely visible /s. Where did I even try to put words in ya mouth? Calm down a little, jesus.

    I just wanted to expose my opinion that problematic things about details popping up right now most likely are (as normally happens) a signal that bigger problems might arise on the xpac. It's normally not a good signal to have the dev team basically admitting they didn't think things through with the new races they added that they aren't even sure how to make the headpieces work in time for the deadline. They surely had more than a few problems during development but still want to perhaps rush a product that might not be ready yet.

    I'd like to remind everyone that this isn't a free to play game. People pay monthly for this, they pay for the base game and xpacs, and finally we have the added honor of having what equals to a cash shop on top of that. I'd honestly expect a bit more from this team, ya know?

    But for god's sake, I'm not trying to offend you or the devs personally, I'm just puzzled by the choices they made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreal View Post
    I...was rude? I was kind of joking with the indie company comparision, as shown by the barely visible /s. Where did I even try to put words in ya mouth? Calm down a little, jesus.

    I just wanted to expose my opinion that problematic things about details cropping up right now most likely are (as normally happens) a signal that bigger problems might arise on the xpac. It's normally not a good signal to have the dev team basically admitting they didn't think things through with the new races they added that they aren't even sure how to make the headpieces work in time for the deadline. They surely had more than a few problems during development but still want to perhaps rush a product that might not be ready yet.

    I'd like to remind everyone that this isn't a free to play to game. People pay monthly for this, they pay for the base game and xpacs, and finally we have the added honor of having what equals to a cash shop on top of that. I'd honestly expect a bit more from this team, ya know?

    But for god's sake, I'm not trying to offend you or the devs personally, I'm just puzzled by the choices they made.
    Alright. Maybe this is a "tone doesn't translate through text" thing. If I misread what you were going for, I'm sorry about that. I'm very used to fandom situations where you can say one thing and if it's not in line with general consensus, people jump in with their own skewed, totally disingenuous version of what was said.

    Ex. Might type something like "I don't like vegetables." Reply would be "So you abuse and murder innocent animals for food?"

    The /s thing tends to be common in situations like that too. From my perspective I've been looking into this trying to figure out what's going on and where I stand on the whole thing, made a big post trying to offer another possibility besides demonizing the devs or the opposite extreme of "good, hope the people who wanted full gender options don't get what they want". It looked to me like you were trying to take all of that and make out like I'm just being a company shill or something.

    I have no problem with you discussing criticism for what's going on. I agree it would probably have been better to push the deadline back, but I seriously am wondering if there was pressure to meet fanfest deadlines and keep release fixed in case it hurt sales. I've seen a lot of stuff like that happen before.

    Again, if you weren't going for the passive aggressive thing I'm sorry.
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