Warrior of Dawn? (Small Theory. Maybe Stormblood spoilers?)

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Seeing as Shadowbringers involves the Warrior of Light becoming the Warrior of Darkness, I was kind of curious how that'd go over once we got back from the First Shard. Hypothetically we could keep throwing around darkness and save the day, but I feel like it's more plausible we'll wind up wielding light and darkness to become an agent of balance: the Warrior of Dawn.

The name was from Final Fantasy V for the group that fought Exdeath before Bartz's group and we are already in a group called The Scions of the Seventh Dawn, which the title would gel well with. Besides, the WoL always winds up being good at everything to a ridiculous degree, so it probably wouldn't be unreasonable that they wind up gaining some kind of special title that distinguishes them among their peers.

I suppose it's a little silly to think about where the story will go after 5.0 before 5.0 even comes out, but I just wanted to share my little idea and see if that seemed like a reasonable guess with the way the story is playing out.

[silentwindfr]

honestly, i did think about it a lot recently, and i'm curious to see where it go myself.
all in all, we know that the big enemy is zordiark and at some point we will need the power to beat it. hyadelin was not able to beat it alone.... that did lead to the creation of the 14 shard. we know that 7 of them have already collapse in the source world, since every calamity is tie to a collapse of a shard.... or i did get it wrong.

we know that the first shard is about to collapse because of the balance issue with the light.
while the last fanfest they did mention that we will need to find back the element that the first shard did lost.... but do it solve all trouble? even if we bring back element and darkness into the first shard... ascien will still continue to try to fuse the first shard and hyadelin.

what can be the solution to that... strangely recently i have begin to think that maybe we need to fuse back every shard with the source world... for give back to hyadelin her whole power. and in a sense it maybe that, we will not loose nor win... maybe we need to bring the first shard in the source world... but not like the ascien do it... maybe in another way. because when the expansion will be over, we will still need to get access to the first shard territory. exept if they means to maintain the shard access open... it will be weird...

exept if my second theory is...we need to create balance in every shard and gather power of every shard before go meet zordiark and face while his power is confined into one shard and we have get access to the power of all the shard and source world?
what is crazy... because it means we will need to go into every shard for get the power of every shard for beat zordiark.

i don't know this story is giving headache since it's hard to see where it will go from there.

[Daralii]

honestly, i did think about it a lot recently, and i'm curious to see where it go myself.
all in all, we know that the big enemy is zordiark and at some point we will need the power to beat it. hyadelin was not able to beat it alone.... that did lead to the creation of the 14 shard. we know that 7 of them have already collapse in the source world, since every calamity is tie to a collapse of a shard.... or i did get it wrong.

we know that the first shard is about to collapse because of the balance issue with the light.
while the last fanfest they did mention that we will need to find back the element that the first shard did lost.... but do it solve all trouble? even if we bring back element and darkness into the first shard... ascien will still continue to try to fuse the first shard and hyadelin.

what can be the solution to that... strangely recently i have begin to think that maybe we need to fuse back every shard with the source world... for give back to hyadelin her whole power. and in a sense it maybe that, we will not loose nor win... maybe we need to bring the first shard in the source world... but not like the ascien do it... maybe in another way. because when the expansion will be over, we will still need to get access to the first shard territory. exept if they means to maintain the shard access open... it will be weird...

exept if my second theory is...we need to create balance in every shard and gather power of every shard before go meet zordiark and face while his power is confined into one shard and we have get access to the power of all the shard and source world?
what is crazy... because it means we will need to go into every shard for get the power of every shard for beat zordiark.

i don't know this story is giving headache since it's hard to see where it will go from there.

A complete rejoining would end all life on Hydaelyn. That much has been established for a long time, and was outright stated by "Varis" in 4.5.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Memory a bit fuzzy here but. I think there was mention about the balance of light and dark being different on each shard and the warrior of darkness we fought before came from a shard where the scale tipped too heavily to light, resulting in the world being entirely consumed by light while the void we learned about in ARR 24 man duties is another shard where the scale tipped too far to darkness which caused that shard to be consumed by darkness. If these balances do vary by shard then its entirely possible we may travel to a shard tipped towards light that needs a champion of darkness to re-balance it.

[Rongway]

the warrior of darkness we fought before came from a shard where the scale tipped too heavily to light, resulting in the world being entirely consumed by light while the void we learned about in ARR 24 man duties is another shard where the scale tipped too far to darkness which caused that shard to be consumed by darkness

The Warriors of Darkness were from the First, where we are going. Their shard is heavily tilted toward light, but not yet past the point of no return.

[Shura]

The Warriors of Darkness were from the First, where we are going. Their shard is heavily tilted toward light, but not yet past the point of no return.

The question is, were they really Warriors of Darkness? they claimed to be Warriors of Darkness because of their hatred towards hydaelyn and their wish to destroy the source world and us(Warriors of Light in the source world) to weaken hydaelyn. But did they really have powers of darkness? In their home Shard(First) they were not Warriors of Darkness but rather the Warriors of Light. Now that we know we can go to the first and that we have been to the 13th, It's more plausible that they were being tricked by the Anciens.



They were told by the Anciens they had to die to come to our world but we know that's not true now, since we can travel there without dying, we have traveled to a different shard without dying and most of all, the Anciens seem to be able to move around without dying. They could of been tricked, being told they had to die in order to weaken Hydaelyn; This way not only will the Anciens weaken her, but also use them as pawn against us.

[Daralii]

The question is, were they really Warriors of Darkness? they claimed to be Warriors of Darkness because of their hatred towards hydaelyn and their wish to destroy the source world and us(Warriors of Light in the source world) to weaken hydaelyn. But did they really have powers of darkness? In their home Shard(First) they were not Warriors of Darkness but rather the Warriors of Light. Now that we know we can go to the first and that we have been to the 13th, It's more plausible that they were being tricked by the Anciens.



They were told by the Anciens they had to die to come to our world but we know that's not true now, since we can travel there without dying, we have traveled to a different shard without dying and most of all, the Anciens seem to be able to move around without dying. They could of been tricked, being told they had to die in order to weaken Hydaelyn; This way not only will the Anciens weaken her, but also use them as pawn against us.

They didn't harbor any hatred toward Hydaelyn or allegiance toward Zodiark. They wanted to bring about another calamity because their world is falling apart and Elidibus sought to use their desperation to get them out of the picture(tips the First toward the dark ever so slightly), trigger a rejoining(tips the Source back toward balance) and ideally kill the WoL(tips the Source back toward balance). People seem to have a big misunderstanding of what the idea of WoLs and WoDs are- it's yin and yang, not good and evil.

[Shura]

They didn't harbor any hatred toward Hydaelyn or allegiance toward Zodiark. They wanted to bring about another calamity because their world is falling apart and Elidibus sought to use their desperation to get them out of the picture(tips the First toward the dark ever so slightly), trigger a rejoining(tips the Source back toward balance) and ideally kill the WoL(tips the Source back toward balance). People seem to have a big misunderstanding of what the idea of WoLs and WoDs are- it's yin and yang, not good and evil.

It's been awhile but I could of sworn in "One Life for One World" they harbored hatred towards Hydaelyn, in the flash back scene, they said they did everything that was asked of them by her but as a result their world fell to ruin and they were abandoned; when Hydaelyn went quiet, (she did in the source too), they took that as betrayal. They wanted to cause another Umbral Calamity to tip the world towards darkness and weaken Hydaelyn's influence on the first shard. When Hydaelyn enters Minfilia and tries to talk to them, the leader tries to attack her because of his rage towards her. I play on the Japanese version so I'm not sure if there are differences between the dialogs and translations but when I did the quest, It definitely gave off the impression they blamed Hydaelyn for their situation.


On a separate note to my earlier point that they are not true warriors of darkness, I just remembered that after losing to us, their final attack was calling forth "Crystals of Light" to attack us, not darkness. If we look at our interactions with them, they never use darkness, they defeated the primal using the echo(given to warriors of light) and they use light against us. In fact they themselves didn't seem to have the power to influence darkness, they hoped to use primals to cause a calamity, which would weaken Hydaelyn. From what we know from the information we got about Shadowbringers, we as Warriors of Darkness will gain abilities that allow us to influence the First shard with darkness directly and not as a by product of a separate being.

[Halivel]

I play on the Japanese version so I'm not sure if there are differences between the dialogs and translations

There are differences. Usually nothing serious, but sometimes there are "ehm..?????" things (I will not mention completely reworked in some quests Haurchefant in EN version since it's not a topic, but well).

As for you theory - I think it's interesting and quite reasonable, so I can suppose it could be very true in the end.

[Astrus]

Dawn (as in the Scions of the 7th Dawn) always had the connotation of bringing Light to the world (Yes I'm aware that the name likely refers to the 7th Astral Era, we're talking my headcanon here). In my head I've dubbed the group of scions on the First "Scions of Dusk" because we're supposed to bring Darkness to the shard and restore the night cycle to it.
If we end up becoming agents of balance neither Dawn nor Dusk seems to fit universally and I can't think of an elegant way to fit equinox into a title.