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  1. #41
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    MsQi's Avatar
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    X'lota Qi
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    When they are brainwashed, yes.
    Ok I win, you are just getting ridiculous. Brainwashing is not some switch you flip. In fact you you are making the case for people rebelling against this society and leaving for a more tolerant one more compelling.
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  2. #42
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    Zanelle Solainteau
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    Ok I win, you are just getting ridiculous. Brainwashing is not some switch you flip. In fact you you are making the case for people rebelling against this society and leaving for a more tolerant one more compelling.
    They would not have your mentality at all.
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  3. #43
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    You are just grasping at straws and have nothing to back you up. You'd would have to prove they intrinsically have no free will. If you find something that says so let me know.
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  4. #44
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    Nergui Dotharl
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinkdaboy View Post
    we pay we say. we say we want male viera and female hrothgar.
    Oh, that's how it works? Awesome

    Well considering I've most likely paid for this game longer than you since I've played the game from the start of the first version, when should I expect my burmecian race? Or did I miss something and somehow the value of my subscription make me less entilted to what I want than you?
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  5. #45
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    Shaiden Nightfall
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by craybest View Post
    making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.
    yea healers i am very happy with the decision...however gender lock is sexist towards men. but in 2019 men are the most under represented. We cant even get the slim and trim version from ff10. we literally got a low rez roe with an event like cat mask...yay.... viera looks like she was created from an entirely different game engine her textures skin and clothes were so smooth. unlike mr pixel the lion rock
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  6. #46
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    Zanelle Solainteau
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    You are just grasping at straws and have nothing to back you up. You'd would have to prove they intrinsically have no free will. If you find something that says so let me know.
    You just don't understand their perspective. They were raised and trained to be a certain way. It is what they know. You aren't going to have hundreds or even thousands of them running around as adventurers. Everyone else in the game is an adventurer you come across. They are much rarer than even male miqotes and their survival rate is even in question. No one has even seen one. The burden of proof is not on me, since the lore is the proof that they don't go out adventuring or possibly do anything outside their mandate. The fact they are raised that way is why it would be considered brainwashing. It's not much different than brainwashing that is seen even in first world countries, just much more efficient.
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  7. #47
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    Cain Nottoris
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    First off most people usually -do- do what they are taught. Even with free will. Its called society, if you don't follow with the majority you are ostracized at best and killed/jailed at worst. So yeah the males WOULD continue to do what they are taught and go with the way they have been for however many years. Brainwashing has nothing to do with it. If it works then they go with it. Everything with a species is based on breeding and continuing the population. You do what will get your bloodline and genes passed on. For Viera males it would be staying in the forest, protecting their home, becoming bad ass masculine bunny men siring a few children and rinse and repeat ad infinitum. Its cool, its different, and its something to look forward to to make the race unique. Just because it upsets the snowflakes does't mean it should be changed in the slightest. Part of writing is CONSISTENCY if you make something stick to it, they are. And I don't want to hear any of the miqo'te crap cause its not the same setup nor even the same NUMBER of males to female ratio.
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  8. #48
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    Wynn Storm
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    I think everything will be okay. There is just a lot of gut emotional reactions without much thought being thrown out. People will calm down eventually.. Hopefully.

    Overall i'm excited for everything shown. Gunbreaker, Dancer, Viera, even the Ronso. I won't be playing the Ronso but i think they are a cool addition. I like seeing big hulking dudes in armor, i think its really cool. And about Viera, i still haven't decided if i'll be race changing or not.. I'm very attached to my character. I'll have to experiment with the Viera customization first before i make a final decision.
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  9. #49
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    E'renndis Harper
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    Moogle
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    Fisher Lv 100
    I hope someone cleans up Lore forums soon...
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  10. #50
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    Diaval Alucard
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by craybest View Post
    making a whole new second genderlocked race is much more work than simply adding the other gender to a race alreayd in developpement. they now have to create double the lore, double the everything.
    Not really. Another gender is 90% as much work as another race. The only race that doesn't have that issue are the lalas. But every other race uses a completely different mesh and animation than their opposite gender so they will still work from scratch. Only lore and small things like ears, tails etc are what they can save themselves time working on when it's the same race.
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