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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    okay I guess the lore book doesn't count?
    The vast majority of primals are solo kills, some explicitly said so.
    Of the 32 canon primal fights in game, so not counting songs and simulations, nor things that are not primals:

    19 of them outright mention fellow adventurers. Link.

    12 are relatively ambiguous, mostly variations of 'you must face off against such and such.'

    1 explicitly says you fought alone. Tsukuyomi.

    Roughly 60% of Primals are confirmed as being fought with a party. That is pretty much the opposite of the vast majority being solo kills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Of the 32 canon primal fights in game, so not counting songs and simulations, nor things that are not primals:

    19 of them outright mention fellow adventurers. Link.

    12 are relatively ambiguous, mostly variations of 'you must face off against such and such.'

    1 explicitly says you fought alone. Tsukuyomi.

    Roughly 60% of Primals are confirmed as being fought with a party. That is pretty much the opposite of the vast majority being solo kills.

    So we gonna ignore the lorebook, then? Okay. Half of these don't even make sense since Ravana and Ifrit aren't situations you knowingly get yourself into. Susano is literally a parody of the phenomenon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    So we gonna ignore the lorebook, then? Okay. Half of these don't even make sense since Ravana and Ifrit aren't situations you knowingly get yourself into. Susano is literally a parody of the phenomenon.
    Ravana HM, Ifrit HM and Ifrit EX are all situations you knowingly get yourself in to. You discuss your plans to confront Ravana for a while before going there, and the Immortal Flames request you for both those Ifrit encounters.

    The cutscene before Ravana even has Ysayle tell you that you can sneak out and get backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Ravana HM, Ifrit HM and Ifrit EX are all situtations you knowingly get yourself in to.

    The cutscene before Ravana has Ysayle tell you that you can sneak out and get backup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Not worth arguing with lol. I guess some duty finder text takes precedence over the actual lorebook.
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    Fighting with a party vs alone has always been wibbly-wobbly logic. There is absolutely no good reason for these not-appearing-in-the-story characters to be suddenly there when you need them and suddenly not again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Fighting with a party vs alone has always been wibbly-wobbly logic. There is absolutely no good reason for these not-appearing-in-the-story characters to be suddenly there when you need them and suddenly not again.
    If only we had the stone of azem before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    Not worth arguing with lol. I guess some duty finder text takes precedence over the actual lorebook.
    60% of primal fights make reference to your party, a clear majority, sourced in such a way that anyone who cares to can double check for themselves. If these references were inaccurate then the team could change them to match the lore book, but they don't.

    The lorebooks were written from an in-universe perspective by writers who were not omniscient. Quite a few people don't like this aspect of them, means they're not 100% reliable as a source as the author can theoretically be wrong (it's a pretty fair complaint to be honest, they're not exactly cheap books,) but I believe they chose to do them that way because they cannot just go back and change the lorebook in the same way they can change the game, and they don't want to be constrained by things they've written in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    60% of primal fights make reference to your party, a clear majority, sourced in such a way that anyone who cares to can double check for themselves. If these references were inaccurate then the team could change them all to match the lore book, but they don't.

    The lorebooks were written from an in-universe perspective by writers who were not omniscient. Quite a few people don't like this aspect of them, means they're not a 100% reliable as a source (and it's a pretty fair complaint to be honest, they're not cheap,) but as far as I know it was a deliberate choice to write it them way because they cannot just go back and change the lorebook in the same way they can change the game, and they don't want to be constrained by things they've written in the past.
    The first volume of the official FINAL FANTASY XIV lore books, written and compiled by the FINAL FANTASY XIV development team! This deluxe, full-color, hardcover volume is the definitive guide to the world of the massively popular online game.
    While you have some meta journal that kinda just tells you, hey queue up bucko.
    How in the everliving hell do we have comrades for nabriales? or final steps of faith?
    Also they literally are getting reprinted, so they could change it.
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