Just relax and support the devs

[Miste]

When they ignore your favourite role for 4 years, and will be going on 6 years after 5.0 ends...you kinda can't support the devs anymore.

I mean...maybe they have a healer reveal up their sleeves, but I'm not gonna hold my breath for it. If it happens then great, they proved they deserve my support, but if not?

It seems to me like they gave up on healers and had 4 years to try to fix healing issues or rework things and failed to do anything about it.

So here we are 4 years later and still no new healer; while DPS have gotten 3 more jobs since HW and Tank finally got one as well. If they don't add a healer in 5.0 at all then it'll be 6 years ignoring their fans who enjoy healer roles.

Seems kind of ridiculous considering the amount of time they have had to deal with healer problems and actually DO something about healer balance issues (coughWHMcough), and do any changes that needed to be done to make sure us healers supporting this game could get new jobs as well.

[Barristan]

it isn't about what 'they' wanted to add. They held a vote, Viera won. They made Au Ra instead, and the consequence of not listening to the people who are literally paying for their shit, is that we pestered them. Perhaps if they had given the playerbase what they wanted to pay for to begin with would have meant they could have added Au Ra later without backlash for not adding Viera. Perhaps there'd be no backlash now, because they'd have implemented a full race instead of just half-assing two races with lame excuses as for why they're incomplete.

In the end this is a product and we are buyers. It's not about what they want, it's about what WE want.

You got Viera. Viera are predominantly female. Go on board the Prima Vista and listen to the rambling speech the traveling performer gives. Or go full bore and look into Viera lore from FFXII or Tactics. That's all the explanation you need.

And if it upsets you so much, then by all means, unsub. And in case you don't remember, after Au Ra were introduced, SE said no more races, but like you said, the player base badgered them to death for the one race that is traditionally gender locked, then feign disgust and anger when said race is introduced..and is gender locked.

[JunseiKei]

it isn't about what 'they' wanted to add. They held a vote, Viera won. They made Au Ra instead, and the consequence of not listening to the people who are literally paying for their shit, is that we pestered them. Perhaps if they had given the playerbase what they wanted to pay for to begin with would have meant they could have added Au Ra later without backlash for not adding Viera. Perhaps there'd be no backlash now, because they'd have implemented a full race instead of just half-assing two races with lame excuses as for why they're incomplete.

In the end this is a product and we are buyers. It's not about what they want, it's about what WE want.

You mean the poll that asked "a race LIKE Viera" and people took it and ran with "OMG THEY ASKED IF WE WANTED VIERA!" and pushed a completely incorrect notion that perpetuates even to this day.

Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

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Mammalian demi-beastmen (ex. a rabbit-eared race such as the Viera from FFXII, etc.)

Yes. Au Ra still wasn't that mammalian demi-beast race that actually won the vote. Point is, it wasn't Viera that is so often misquoted as you have just done.





But hey, paying customers complained, so they are right. Cater to them!

[Gemina]

They continue to have my support, and this is coming from someone who really wanted DNC to be our next healer, which is far more impactful from a game mechanic perspective where race is just another version of glamour. Though I am not dismissing glamour as I find it to be a really important aspect of the game, just nowhere near as important as new jobs. However, another reason why they also continue to have my support is because I know there are many players who like to play a Hulk-like avatar, and these players are also getting a new race/glamour option which really would not have been there for them with male Viera.

Lore is important as well and the lore surrounding the Viera does not support playable males. They couldn't have written it any clearer, and I knew as a result there were going to be many disappointed players when I speculated that male bunnies weren't coming in 5.0. I am in the small camp that supports female only Viera, and for the first time since starting this game, I am highly considering starting a new character since I would never fantasia Gemina into another race or gender. Plus, I've been interested in experiencing the MSQ from level 1 again for quite some time now, and fitting this character into Gemina's lore such as someone she takes under her wing.

[Riusvell]

They continue to have my support, and this is coming from someone who really wanted DNC to be our next healer, which is far more impactful from a game mechanic perspective where race is just another version of glamour. Though I am not dismissing glamour as I find it to be a really important aspect of the game, just nowhere near as important as new jobs. However, another reason why they also continue to have my support is because I know there are many players who like to play a Hulk-like avatar, and these players are also getting a new race/glamour option which really would not have been there for them with male Viera.

Lore is important as well and the lore surrounding the Viera does not support playable male Viera. They couldn't have written it any clearer, and I knew as a result there were going to be many disappointed players when I speculated that male bunnies weren't coming in 5.0. I am in the small camp that supports female only Viera, and for the first time since starting this game, I am highly considering starting a new character since I would never fantasia Gemina into another race or gender. Plus, I've been interested in experiencing the MSQ from level 1 again for quite some time now, and fitting this character into Gemina's lore such as someone she takes under her wing.

For the sake of repeating myself.
Lore is not a valid reason, we have Yokai watch minions, Rathalos, the Regalia (soon), Tomestone phones, Cloud's motorbike and much more that doesn't fit into XIV.
That excuse went out of the window the moment Lightning came bursting into our world.

Like this really ruins my "immersion"

[Jinxie]

You got Viera. Viera are predominantly female. Go on board the Prima Vista and listen to the rambling speech the traveling performer gives. Or go full bore and look into Viera lore from FFXII or Tactics. That's all the explanation you need.

And if it upsets you so much, then by all means, unsub. And in case you don't remember, after Au Ra were introduced, SE said no more races, but like you said, the player base badgered them to death for the one race that is traditionally gender locked, then feign disgust and anger when said race is introduced..and is gender locked.

Somehow Male miqo'te (particularly keepers) exists with the SAME lore rules (much rare! So hidden! GASP) attached. Dont you bark that nonsense at me. If they can make it work for one race, then they cannot use it as an excuse to prevent another.

You mean the pole that asked "a race LIKE Viera" and people took it and ran with "OMG THEY ASKED IF WE WANTED VIERA!" and pushed a completely incorrect notion that perpetuates even to this day.

You're right, they didn't specifically SAY viera. However, SE controls what they put out to us. They literally have the power to show us or not show us whatever they wish. They showed us viera. Bunny people. If they didn't want people to make that connection they should not have depicted it as such with their concepts.

If you dont want to put your foot in your mouth, then dont set yourself up to do just that. (in regards to SE, not you.)

[JunseiKei]

You're right, they didn't specifically SAY viera. However, SE controls what they put out to us. They literally have the power to show us or not show us whatever they wish. They showed us viera. Bunny people. If they didn't want people to make that connection they should not have depicted it as such with their concepts.

If you dont want to put your foot in your mouth, then dont set yourself up to do just that. (in regards to SE, not you.)

This applies:

Concept art is never an indication of something will be implemented. Concept art is literally drawing up plans and taking what you want, dismissing what you don't want and maybe fusing ideas you do like into something new. Tons of concepts don't make it into a game and some aren't ever even shown to the public. We were also shown demon concept art. Does that mean Square Enix is promising demons as a play-able race? No. Are they actively saying that demons won't be a race? No, there's no need. That's the whole basis behind concept.

Assuming you meant the concept art of "Au Ra - The Viera" or "Au Ra - Beast" since both bunny-like concept can be found in both sections of the Heavensward artbook.

[Barristan]

Somehow Male miqo'te (particularly keepers) exists with the SAME lore rules (much rare! So hidden! GASP) attached. Dont you bark that nonsense at me. If they can make it work for one race, then they cannot use it as an excuse to prevent another.



You're right, they didn't specifically SAY viera. However, SE controls what they put out to us. They literally have the power to show us or not show us whatever they wish. They showed us viera. Bunny people. If they didn't want people to make that connection they should not have depicted it as such with their concepts.

If you dont want to put your foot in your mouth, then dont set yourself up to do just that. (in regards to SE, not you.)

But they did use that as an excuse. They wrote the lore for it. Just like they wrote the lore for Male Miqo'te. Did they retcon that lore? Yes they did. Will they do the same for Viera? Maybe, but I hope they don't. Male Viera do not intermingle with other races, and are overtly hostile towards them. But sure, let's go ahead and let Shirogane, and Ala Mhigo, and Eorzea be infested with bunny men that by nature would have nothing to do with any other race other than other male Viera.

Seems legit.

[WhiteArchmage]

But they did use that as an excuse. They wrote the lore for it. Just like they wrote the lore for Male Miqo'te. Did they retcon that lore? Yes they did. Will they do the same for Viera? Maybe, but I hope they don't. Male Viera do not intermingle with other races, and are overtly hostile towards them. But sure, let's go ahead and let Shirogane, and Ala Mhigo, and Eorzea be infested with bunny men that by nature would have nothing to do with any other race other than other male Viera.

Seems legit.

Other PCs do not exist in the Lore (Male miqo'te lore was also never retconned, you can count male Keepers on one hand and have fingers left over, male Seekers had better lore excuses to be NPCs). They can very well add Male Viera and we'd only see them in the Rak'Tika Greatwood (or only see a few scattered ones after the forest fire).

[Jinxie]

Yes I know about the rule of concept art. But SE knows the rule about showing these things to players during fan festivals, Viera were shown live AT fanfest 2014. I was there, I still have PICTURES on my phone from it. They discussed the vote, they showed viera, they showed Au Ra. If you've reached a point where you are showing those images live, the precedent is set that you're going to implement them at least in some form as they'd been shown. In this case with males and females present. Yes Au Ra did females came out much different than the weird ring-girl succubus looking thing they presented. But they CAME OUT. They were pictured, they were changed and they made it.

Game companies try their damndest to avoid showing things unless they're for sure going to put it in, because it becomes VERY messy if they don't end up implementing it.

I hate to use blizzard as an example, but...seriously. They do not show development concepts to the general public for this specific reason. the general public doesn't typically get that stuff until the game is released or VERY late into development where it's for sure in, but maybe tweaked a bit, as a perk for buying the collector's edition. Artbook. Post-implementation. I used to work there, there is tons of stuff the general populace never sees, but you dont SHOW it for this exact issue's reason.