Just relax and support the devs

[Alucard135]

Don't be a child just cause the world did not give you what you wanted, especially when it was never promised to come in the first place. The world is not here to cater to your every whim.... Im honestly glad they did not add Male viera now seeing all the vitriol and creepiness coming from that side, i have never been more disappointed in a community..... hell the american fanbase...... the japanese side are being very polite on their issues with whats going on and we over here are just screaming and throwing tantrums cause a team of people on deadlines who tried to do their best to make two groups of people happy at once did not give us every little thing we wanted. This is sad and pathetic.

It would be one thing if we gathered as a community and talked like rational beings but instead we are over here grabbing our torches and pitchforks at every. little. thing. they. do.

Enough, grow the hell up and act like people not rabid morons...

Congratulations. You have not only necro'd the thread, but also the chaos that came with it with your response.

[kidalutz]

Do not reward them for this badly thought out decision. They've caused countless people to rage quit the game overnight, myself included. They absolutely deserve to be criticized in this instance.

If you're rage quitting over pixels you might want to take a step back anyways and consider how egocentric and self indulgent you've become that a set of pixels that you wanted didnt happen so you an adult threw a temper tantrum and quit something you had four years invested into.

[Enla]

The vitriol is a bit much in places but people do have a right to voice their concerns. Likewise as pointed out while they didn't /promise/ Male Viera they did their utmost not to actually deny their probability. A lot of this backlash simply wouldn't be here if they had come out from the start and stated Viera were mono-gendered back in Paris and taken out the lore lines about the males during the Alliance Raid quest line. What is happening now is several months worth of hype, debate, and expectation all being thrown out the window and it's no wonder some people are genuinely upset. Especially when it was such an easy problem to outright prevent in the first place.

That said I do feel bad for the dev team who had no hand in how the lore or the marketing of fanfest was presented as well as the forum staff. ESPECIALLY the forum staff. I do not envy their job right now as the forum continues to explode.

[KittenMittens]

Gender locked races are a thing of the past, I'm not going to throw my support behind this decision. If the developer had such an issue with implementing male Viera and female Hrothgar they should have gone with an entirely different race, to begin with. A single full race is better than what we're getting, it's only disappointment.

[TruebladeNuke]

Unsubbing won't help them make your dreams come true.

I've been subbed for a long time, and they still managed to break one of my dreams. Sooo... too late there. (And no, it's not about the whole gender locked race thing either. But I did raise an eyebrow to that) That said, it's true that I won't be unsubbing. I've invested too much into this game (and the game's story is still interesting to me) to just drop out because of a few "bumps in the road".

... but I retain the right to remain disappointed by certain decisions. Like with any other game, I always manage to find something that irks me to varying degrees. And it's because I know that, that I try not to be too hard on game developers. (It's ALWAYS something after all)

[JunseiKei]

The vitriol is a bit much, but people do have a right to voice their concerns. Likewise as pointed out while they didn't /promise/ Male Viera they did their utmost not to actually deny their probability. A lot of this backlash simply wouldn't be here if they had come out from the start and stated Viera were mono-gendered back in Paris and taken out the lore lines about the males during the Alliance Raid quest line. What is happening now is several months worth of hype, debate, and expectation all being thrown out the window and it's no wonder some people are genuinely upset. Especially when it was such an easy problem to outright prevent in the first place.

That said I do feel bad for the dev team who had no hand in how the lore or the marketing of fanfest was presented as well as the forum staff. ESPECIALLY the forum staff. I do not envy their job right now as the forum continues to explode.

Concept art is never an indication of something will be implemented. Concept art is literally drawing up plans and taking what you want, dismissing what you don't want and maybe fusing ideas you do like into something new. Tons of concepts don't make it into a game and some aren't ever even shown to the public. We were also shown demon concept art. Does that mean Square Enix is promising demons as a play-able race? No. Are they actively saying that demons won't be a race? No, there's no need. That's the whole basis behind concept.

They also can't backtrack their lore. Let me explain - Viera are not a single gender consisting of only females. They are not like Hyrule's Gerudo (1 male every 100 years versus 1 or 2 males per every 10?) . Viera have males - they live annexed from the more "social-able" female Viera and are basically exiled from contact from everything to guard their homes.

[Enla]

Concept art is never an indication of something will be implemented. Concept art is literally drawing up plans and taking what you want, dismissing what you don't want and maybe fusing ideas you do like into something new. Tons of concepts don't make it into a game and some aren't ever even shown to the public. We were also shown demon concept art. Does that mean Square Enix is promising demons as a play-able race? No. Are they actively saying that demons won't be a race? No, there's no need. That's the whole basis behind concept.

They also can't backtrack their lore. Let me explain - Viera are not a single gender consisting of only females. They are not like Hyrule's Gerudo (1 male every 100 years versus 1 or 2 males per every 10?) . Viera have males - they live annexed from the more "social-able" female Viera and are basically exiled from contact from everything to guard their homes.

Except I never mentioned the concept art and don't even know how you came to the conclusion I was? Because shockingly enough I actually agree it's not a good basis for expectation? There is a reason I don't even touch on it and instead focus on how they handled the reveal at fanfest where they could have very easily clarified the issue, and the lore in game. The latter of which frankly was very much a backtrackable moment as that was the first and /only/ instance we have heard of the males in FF14. This isn't FF12 or any other universe where they existed in the past. They could have very easily changed the lore and it wouldn't have hurt a single thing. Likewise they didn't even /need/ to backtrack it. Just save the blurb about the males for when we get to the Greatwood. "Where are all the guys?" -> "Oh -insert lore explanation here-." Would have worked just as well, if not better given the circumstances.

[JunseiKei]

Except I never mentioned the concept art and don't even know how you came to the conclusion I was? Because shockingly enough I actually agree it's not a good basis for expectation? There is a reason I don't even touch on it and instead focus on how they handled the reveal at fanfest where they could have very easily clarified the issue, and the lore in game. The latter of which frankly was very much a backtrackable moment as that was the first and /only/ instance we have heard of the males in FF14. Likewise they didn't even need to backtrack it. Just save the blurb about the males for when we get to the Greatwood. "Where are all the guys?" -> "Oh -insert lore explanation here-." Would have worked just as well, if not better given the circumstances.

Not directly you, but quoting the sentiment; the only thing I meant to directly reply to you was the 'mono-gender race' thing. The whole "playable male Viera" seems to stem from the concept art circling around when Au Ra were first announced. They showed all the concept art for what would be considered "Au Ra" - a race based on Viera, a race based on dragons (with some looking more bestial), some based on demons, some based on the viangaa, and some based on "beast" (lupin and viera are actually depicted here).

For the FanFest, they showed only female Viera. I, for one and I know I wasn't alone in pointing this out, made a point to tell others they only showed females. No males. Players dismissed it, saying maybe they need more development time and brought up how all of the models in the trailer look the same in the face. When it was brought up that not even Au Ra were shown with just male or just female and it'd be incredibly bad to show half of a race, players continued to cover their ears and reject this notion. Others pointed out the lore for male viera is one of annex and isolation, unlike male Miqo'te, which are just very uncommon compared to their female counterparts and how XIV, for all its faults, adheres to the lore they have built.

All of this ignored or explained away for a sliver of hope, especially with the "please wait for the Japanese FanFest" reply.

I can't be angry with XIV on an arguably bad judgement call when players were so willfully dismissive of facts.

[JunseiKei]

You're right, they didn't specifically SAY viera. However, SE controls what they put out to us. They literally have the power to show us or not show us whatever they wish. They showed us viera. Bunny people. If they didn't want people to make that connection they should not have depicted it as such with their concepts.

If you dont want to put your foot in your mouth, then dont set yourself up to do just that. (in regards to SE, not you.)

This applies:

Concept art is never an indication of something will be implemented. Concept art is literally drawing up plans and taking what you want, dismissing what you don't want and maybe fusing ideas you do like into something new. Tons of concepts don't make it into a game and some aren't ever even shown to the public. We were also shown demon concept art. Does that mean Square Enix is promising demons as a play-able race? No. Are they actively saying that demons won't be a race? No, there's no need. That's the whole basis behind concept.

Assuming you meant the concept art of "Au Ra - The Viera" or "Au Ra - Beast" since both bunny-like concept can be found in both sections of the Heavensward artbook.

[Eleken]

...We're paying them a monthly subscription and full price expansions as well as optional payed content like retainers and cosmetics. I seriously don't understand why you think it's wrong for customers to express their dissatisfaction with the content. It's entirely within customers rights, SE has their own PR they don't need fanatical fans that will defend them against any form of criticism.