Sin Eaters

[Iscah]

Though, it does raise some questions about how they go about corrupting someone. Like, do they just have an abundance of that corrupted Auracite? Can all Voidsent corrupt (We only see specifically Succubi doing it)? Are they merely channelling condensed Darkness into the host to corrupt them?

The lorebook section on the history of Allag has the key to this, I think.

From page 27, "Victory in Meracydia", it talks about their pact with the voidsent, and that it specficially involved summoned voidsent fighting in the Allagan army. Any enemy they killed could then be immediately used to summon another voidsent into the body, thus expanding the army. Effectively the zombie analogy you were talking about.

So I think that's what's happening in Haukke Manor as well. The Wood Wailers aren't just being corrupted, they're being killed and immediately taken over by whatever voidsent they "transform" into.

[Bright-Flower]

I wonder if it's possible the dawn father and dusk mother were a sin eater/voidsent or some sort of light/dark related entity, with the Xaela being related to voidsent and Raen to sin eaters. Just idle speculation, I have nothing to back that up.

[Jonnycbad]

I'm sure the amdapori communicated with the sineaters the same way the mhachi communicated with voidsent. Perhaps the amdapori simply thought the sineaters were benevolent angels/gods/elementals. By teaching the white mages spells like holy and stuff, they could defeat darkness and tip the world towards light, allowing them free access.

[manamoppet]

The character Innocence that was announced made me wonder if it's a Sin Eater or someone that's partially immune to the effect of the Flood of Light, or in the process to becoming a Sin Eater. Searching for a bit I found this mentioned from the FF Tactics wiki:

Atheist (イノセン, Inosen?), also known as Innocent, is a status effect in Final Fantasy Tactics. A character affected by Atheist loses all faith in the gods and magics. Their Faith will fall to zero, making magic attacks used by that character ineffective. Additionally, all magic cast on that character will have no effect at all. Nether Mantra also will not work on the character, rendering zero damage.

Then there's the Netherseer, a.k.a. Hell Knight that's very similar to Dark Knight, the mascot job for Shadowbringer:

"An assassin able to corrupt the laws of nature by speaking the words of forbidden Nether Mantra."

which we're kind of trying to do with restoring Darkness to the Shard, along with the other elements on the First Shard. There's probably some hope if the above quotes are the case:

... By using the Orator's Speechcraft ability Enlighten to lower the target's Faith, [Atheist] will have a permanent effect, though this can be easily adjusted by using another Speechcraft skill, Preach, to reverse the alteration.

Though it's just speculation, and not much to grasp on to....

If Sin Eaters literally eat parts of a monster like Sin from FFX, (could be First Shard Bismarck?) that would kind of be cool as well, since

It has a long tail and its body is encased in scales it can shed and turn into small monsters known as Sinscales. It carries part of a city presumed to be a part of Zanarkand on its body close to the back of the head. Sin's final form has feathery wing-like protrusions that are purple at the tips.

Edit: Minfilia having been The Word of the Mother could be the one to fill the role of Orator, if the above is taken further.

[Theodric]

Since there's going to be a settlement that is apparently prone to extreme decadence in the face of the apparent end of the world scenario, I suspect the Sin Eaters will tie in with that and be 'feeding' off of the greed and other sins there. The people not allowed to enter the city could resort to banditry and murder which could also feed the Sin Eaters.

[Mixt]

Hmm, i wonder, since Diabolos and the Cloud Of Darkness were adapted into Voidsent, could Barthandelus and Orphan from 13 be adapted as Sin Eaters in a similiar fashion?

They do seem to fit the theme of Evil Light to some extent, so this would seem like the best place to me to fit these characters into the setting of 14.

Just asking if that would be viable.

[Rocl]

I've never played FFXIII myself, so I'm unsure of some of the specifics regarding those folks, but you aren't the first person I've heard bring them up.

As for viable? Most anything and everything is possible in FFXIV's theme park setting. There's few qualms about adapting old Final Fantasy things into something else in XIV's world!

[Mixt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9TNiDd-Ikw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eahp2ZM_uQ

Those videos should tell you everything you need to know about Barthandelus at least, if you don't mind serious spoilers for 13.

Potential Sin Eater material, yes or no?

As for Orphan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-tGnrV4tQ

[Yuriane]

The difference between a Flood of Light and Flood of Dark makes no sense to me honestly. If they are two sides of the same coin shouldn't they just do the same thing with a different colour pallet? My current thinking is that both the First and Thirteenth have been having their respective floods for a while starting vaguely at the same time as each other, and progressing at the same pace. We've simply paid more attention to the Void because the majority of the population of the Source views Light as natural and good and Dark as unnatural and evil, thus we simply didn't blink twice when Amdapor summoned Sin Eaters into our world during the War of Magi.

[LineageRazor]

The difference between a Flood of Light and Flood of Dark makes no sense to me honestly. If they are two sides of the same coin shouldn't they just do the same thing with a different colour pallet? My current thinking is that both the First and Thirteenth have been having their respective floods for a while starting vaguely at the same time as each other, and progressing at the same pace. We've simply paid more attention to the Void because the majority of the population of the Source views Light as natural and good and Dark as unnatural and evil, thus we simply didn't blink twice when Amdapor summoned Sin Eaters into our world during the War of Magi.

While not a perfect fit, the game seems to be pointing toward Light and Darkness representing Chaos and Order. Ascians are agents of Darkness, and their primary tool seems to be chaos. If this is the case, then a Flood of Darkness would create a zone of total chaos, while a Flood of Light would create a zone of total Order. However you might imagine a realm of complete order or disorder, chances are you wouldn't imagine them being exactly alike. In the case of this game, they imagined a realm of total order having no room for living things (or even things at all), as any deviance would disrupt the order of it all. A Flood of Light eventually leaves a clean, uniform, nothingness.

Total chaos, on the other hand, has room for bits of order in it (like life forms), because chaos is not uniformly anything. It's pretty much the opposite of uniformity.

Also worth pointing out: The First isn't flooded YET. It's on the way there, but hope remains that we can help it to recover. There is still a chance to save it, which is why the Warriors of Darkness came to the source, and why Minfilia herself left for the First. There is no hope for the Thirteenth; the flood occurred more than ten thousand years ago, and has long since finished wiping out the Shard.