Sin Eaters

[Fenral]

Though characters at the intersection of "Created by Ishikawa" and "beloved by fans" have a survival rate in roughly the Sean Bean zone, so that doesn't bode well.

Yeah, I'm aware of that, too. Stormblood has at least convinced me that the writing team has moved past using death strictly for pathos and are willing to more carefully examine the implications of survival. As long as they can continue to make it clear that these characters' lives could have had meaning and value beyond their "perfect" narrative capstone deaths, I like to think I'll manage. (I will probably still end up crying here, but hopefully they won't be angry tears this time.)

[zuzu-bq]

Is that confirmation that he's a new character, or a misdirection because G'raha had no spoken lines before?

I assume either would work! I actually went my way to check if G'raha had any voiced lines before to try cross-refference it, and was pelased to see he didn't. They didn't talk anything about it besides confirming he voices the narrator for the whole trailer. If anyone is curious check on Uchida Yuuma's previous work. I don't trust other language's voice actor selecitions for this kind of speculation since they're all over the place. The Japan VA market is very strict on having actors be linked to their characters by contract (usually not open to all medias).

What if Arbert threw in with Elidibus so confidently because he thought HE was fulfilling the prophecy of the Bringer of Night?

Damn... now that would be the saddest.

[Crushnight]

The one on the left definetely looks like a light version of the gargoyle voidsent


whereas the left (to me) looks like an Angelic version of Griever/Ultimecia form


Now i love the right one's design so monsterous for a being of light wonder if these things just pop out of nowhere or are a mutation of the 1st shard's residents

[manamoppet]

The character Innocence that was announced made me wonder if it's a Sin Eater or someone that's partially immune to the effect of the Flood of Light, or in the process to becoming a Sin Eater. Searching for a bit I found this mentioned from the FF Tactics wiki:

Atheist (イノセン, Inosen?), also known as Innocent, is a status effect in Final Fantasy Tactics. A character affected by Atheist loses all faith in the gods and magics. Their Faith will fall to zero, making magic attacks used by that character ineffective. Additionally, all magic cast on that character will have no effect at all. Nether Mantra also will not work on the character, rendering zero damage.

Then there's the Netherseer, a.k.a. Hell Knight that's very similar to Dark Knight, the mascot job for Shadowbringer:

"An assassin able to corrupt the laws of nature by speaking the words of forbidden Nether Mantra."

which we're kind of trying to do with restoring Darkness to the Shard, along with the other elements on the First Shard. There's probably some hope if the above quotes are the case:

... By using the Orator's Speechcraft ability Enlighten to lower the target's Faith, [Atheist] will have a permanent effect, though this can be easily adjusted by using another Speechcraft skill, Preach, to reverse the alteration.

Though it's just speculation, and not much to grasp on to....

If Sin Eaters literally eat parts of a monster like Sin from FFX, (could be First Shard Bismarck?) that would kind of be cool as well, since

It has a long tail and its body is encased in scales it can shed and turn into small monsters known as Sinscales. It carries part of a city presumed to be a part of Zanarkand on its body close to the back of the head. Sin's final form has feathery wing-like protrusions that are purple at the tips.

Edit: Minfilia having been The Word of the Mother could be the one to fill the role of Orator, if the above is taken further.

[Theodric]

Since there's going to be a settlement that is apparently prone to extreme decadence in the face of the apparent end of the world scenario, I suspect the Sin Eaters will tie in with that and be 'feeding' off of the greed and other sins there. The people not allowed to enter the city could resort to banditry and murder which could also feed the Sin Eaters.

[Mixt]

Hmm, i wonder, since Diabolos and the Cloud Of Darkness were adapted into Voidsent, could Barthandelus and Orphan from 13 be adapted as Sin Eaters in a similiar fashion?

They do seem to fit the theme of Evil Light to some extent, so this would seem like the best place to me to fit these characters into the setting of 14.

Just asking if that would be viable.

[Rocl]

I've never played FFXIII myself, so I'm unsure of some of the specifics regarding those folks, but you aren't the first person I've heard bring them up.

As for viable? Most anything and everything is possible in FFXIV's theme park setting. There's few qualms about adapting old Final Fantasy things into something else in XIV's world!

[Mixt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9TNiDd-Ikw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eahp2ZM_uQ

Those videos should tell you everything you need to know about Barthandelus at least, if you don't mind serious spoilers for 13.

Potential Sin Eater material, yes or no?

As for Orphan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU-tGnrV4tQ

[Nalien]

I've figured out the lore behind sin eaters with a simple google search xD

Do you think each type of Sin Eater might embody a specific sin? XI had a series of NMs based on that (Skull of Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, and Wrath), and I think it would be a neat way to explain the wildly different designs we've already seen. Kuribu could embody Pride, for example (the lion too, come to think of it), while some of the concept arts we've seen could be Envy, Wrath or Gluttony...

EDIT: Come to think of it, in XI each race embodied a sin to some extent, represented mostly with the Ark Angels in the Zilart expansion... Given we have Eulmore already showing us fairly gluttonous Miqote... It's also a common fantasy troupe for Dwarves to succumb to greed, and Elves tend to be prideful... Makes me somewhat mad they added Hrothgar, since that brings us to 8 races, making it somewhat hard to run the 7 deadly sins angle here...

Either way, I'm now anticipating an Ark Angel style encounter in Shadowbringers... Maybe it's best not to though, Soken is already giving me Vamo' Alla Flamenco, not sure I can handle Fighters of the Crystal as well... Hydaelyn have mercy on me if he sneaks Rose of May into this expansion...

[Crushnight]

Do you think each type of Sin Eater might embody a specific sin? XI had a series of NMs based on that (Skull of Envy, Gluttony, Greed, Lust, Pride, Sloth, and Wrath), and I think it would be a neat way to explain the wildly different designs we've already seen. Kuribu could embody Pride, for example (the lion too, come to think of it), while some of the concept arts we've seen could be Envy, Wrath or Gluttony...

EDIT: Come to think of it, in XI each race embodied a sin to some extent, represented mostly with the Ark Angels in the Zilart expansion... Given we have Eulmore already showing us fairly gluttonous Miqote... It's also a common fantasy troupe for Dwarves to succumb to greed, and Elves tend to be prideful... Makes me somewhat mad they added Hrothgar, since that brings us to 8 races, making it somewhat hard to run the 7 deadly sins angle here...

Either way, I'm now anticipating an Ark Angel style encounter in Shadowbringers... Maybe it's best not to though, Soken is already giving me Vamo' Alla Flamenco, not sure I can handle Fighters of the Crystal as well... Hydaelyn have mercy on me if he sneaks Rose of May into this expansion...

I'd say they may embody the Heavenly Virtues instead:
Chastity,
Temperance,
Charity,
Diligence,
Patience,
Kindness &
Humility.