Sin Eaters

[Kacho_Nacho]

I've figured out the lore behind sin eaters with a simple google search xD

Isn't it fascinating? I watched a documentary on them in college.

[Remedi]

Well they've done it, they made it difficult to sleep at night, Sin eaters are terrifying moreso than the voidsents.

[Cilia]

The real question I have is... if Kuribu and the Winged Lion are based on these Sin Eaters, how did the Amdapori learn of them?

Inquiring minds gotta know!

[Nalien]

The real question I have is... if Kuribu and the Winged Lion are based on these Sin Eaters, how did the Amdapori learn of them?

Inquiring minds gotta know!

Based on Holy Cow, I'm thinking somethingsomethingLifestream, given Eureka was set adrift there... Spend long enough there, perhaps you start to see things from other worlds... Amdapori White Mages probably pulled a fair few people back from the brink, then they had a "I saw an Angel" moment with Sin Eaters? Come to think of it, the Calling took Thancred first, him and Y'shtola had a brief stay in the Lifestream... Y'shtola fell at the same time as Urianger though, but that could just be a "they had higher magic resistance", given Thancred lost his magical aptitude... Would also like to think that can tie into Xandes and his post-revival madness... Revived at Crystal Tower, have memories of the same Tower in a world being consumed by Light? Might want to balance that out somehow...

At the very least, Eureka is plagued with Voidsent after travelling through the Lifestream, that there is perhaps maybe one Sin Eater there could indicate that both are capable of coming to the Source, but naturally Sin Eaters are less likely to due to the First still not fully falling. Not likely to be incline to look to other worlds for aether when your world still has some left, but it could still happen rarely.

[Grimr]

I am glad i am not the only one who thought of the amdapori statues. so a few thoughts...

@mooose they most likely came from a flooded light world totally consumed much like the void. It's the only answer that makes sense. Probably a shard we don't know about or something else.

It would be interesting if we knew which "deity" appeared first in the war of the magi in the fifth astral era. Perhaps the void link was alrdy established. It would seem the war of the magi was front for an actual war going on between sin eaters and voids and perhaps a nymian deity we have yet to encounter unless its fairies.

Again i do wonder if the nymians had a deity other than fairies used in that war.

Again blms and scholars would have experience dealing with amdapori statues so why pray tell must we become warriors of darkness?

[Kalise]

The real question I have is... if Kuribu and the Winged Lion are based on these Sin Eaters, how did the Amdapori learn of them?

Inquiring minds gotta know!

Well, if they're anything like the Voidsent, then I assume that it wouldn't be unheard of for them to appear out of no-where.

Given that there are 3 ways that Voidsent appear in our world:

1) Someone in our world specifically tears a hole in the aether to open a portal to the Void where a Voidsent can travel through.

2) A Voidsent themselves tears a hole in the aether to open a portal to our world.

3) A natural tear occurs creating a portal between our world and the Void.

I assume, that there might have been a natural tear allowing Sin Eaters to come to our world. After which people found out how to open portals to force them to appear.

Though, I guess the biggest difference is that Voidsent weren't (Necessarily) created by the flood of darkness. They were created by mutations and corruption from Primal infused Auracite (I.e. They imprisoned Primals in Auracite then managed to then use their power. Not too different from what we have seen the Allagans attempt to do or what the Garleans wanted to do back in ARR)

While, it seems they're suggesting that Sin Eaters are created by an "Over-exposure of light" as opposed to being subjected to the power of Auracite and Primals.

It's very curious. Especially in what it can mean for us. I mean how much Light is too much? When we're literally getting Hydaelyn's Blessing of Light and then turning it up to 11+ with our crystal(s) and occasionally Auracite, how close are we getting to "Over-Exposure"?

Unless there's something else afoot in what it means to become a Sin Eater...

[Anonymoose]

I assume, that there might have been a natural tear allowing Sin Eaters to come to our world.

The question is: From where?

The Thirteenth fell to void no less than 6,000 years ago and, as a Dark-born void, still has voidsent lingering within it. Arbert taught us (and the devs confirmed) that a Light-born void leaves "blank perfection" in its wake, not Sin Eaters. Ergo, the only way we know of for Sin Eaters to appear (so far) is that a Flood of Light must be in progress. Neither Arbert nor Elidibus (nor anything else) suggested that a dimension other than the Thirteenth fell to a Flood until the First's situation arose.

So where did the Amdapori Sin Eater images come from, if indeed that is what they are? Has the First been falling for 2,000 straight years? Did another dimension once come back from the brink and some sin eaters escaped? Did another dimension once fall and some sin eaters crossed over during that time? Did Amdapori inherit stories from the Allagans who somehow had knowledge of the sin eaters? Is this tied to the existence of the Crystal Tower? Are time shenanigans involved?

Though, I guess the biggest difference is that Voidsent weren't (Necessarily) created by the flood of darkness. They were created by mutations and corruption from Primal infused Auracite

This still needs a bit of tidying up. They say that auracite lead to monters, but they also said that the voidsent are the remnants of people and animals that were alive during the Flood of Darkness. Surely animals weren't wielding auracite. Perhaps the monsters died in the flood. Perhaps the monsters became the unique voidsent at the top of the hierarchy like Diabolos and Scathach.

[YianKutku]

So where did the Amdapori Sin Eater images come from, if indeed that is what they are? Has the First been falling for 2,000 straight years? Did another dimension once come back from the brink and some sin eaters escaped? Did another dimension once fall and some sin eaters crossed over during that time? Did Amdapori inherit stories from the Allagans who somehow had knowledge of the sin eaters? Is this tied to the existence of the Crystal Tower? Are time shenanigans involved?

I think the simplest (and thus least interesting) answer is basically "timey-wimey shenanigans", because if you assume that time on the First passes at the same rate as time on the Source (at least in general), then everything breaks down.

The 3.x Warriors of Darkness supposedly caused their world to tip too far into the Light through their actions, including killing the Ascian of the First, Mitron. For this to actually have an effect, it would imply that Mitron was perma-killed, rather than having his essence yeeted out of his host like we did with Lahabrea and Thancred.

In the 2.5 ending cutscene, we see Elidibus warn Lahabrea that never before has an Ascian (or at least "that which is eternal") been perma-killed, in reference to our destruction of Nabriales. Lahabrea dismisses this in his arrogance. (But then what of Emmerololth?)

Later, in the 3.0 ending cutscene, Elidibus is on apparently the moon, and chats with the Arbert, Warrior of Darkness. So by that time, Arbert had already come to the Source.

So Mitron should have been killed sometime during the base Heavensward story, and the Flood of Light starting then, and Arbert and co. choosing the drastic measure of forcing a Rejoining, all in the span of time that Heavensward took, or at least maybe immediately after 2.5 (and before 2.55) and immediately before the scene on the alleged moon.

Which, as far as I can vaguely recall, is something like a couple of months? Subject to the time bubble of the Source, of course.

I can't see any way around this other than "well, time flows differently", which will in itself cause shenanigans when we have to move back and forth between the First and the Source (due to player convenience reasons).

[zuzu-bq]

So where did the Amdapori Sin Eater images come from, if indeed that is what they are? Has the First been falling for 2,000 straight years? Did another dimension once come back from the brink and some sin eaters escaped? Did another dimension once fall and some sin eaters crossed over during that time? Did Amdapori inherit stories from the Allagans who somehow had knowledge of the sin eaters? Is this tied to the existence of the Crystal Tower? Are time shenanigans involved?
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The Crystal person at the Tower was confirmed to be the trailer's narrator in Naoki's Room, the japanese voice actor hasn't worked in the game before. He says "how many years have come and gone". This would indicate he been waiting us for quite a while. The last dev pannel also showed a slide saying the Crystal Tower been there for years and the city was constructed around there. Not only that but appearently the First have legends of those who will bring back the night, legends take years to form so I doubt Arbert have left the First any recently, he told us his own tales of victories against the Dark. It totally sound like time shennanigans are involved. But we won't know the hows and whys for a while now.

As for Amdapor... Whew~ The War of Magi was truly something else. If Sin Eaters are directly linked to the flood of light the way they seem to be, it was basically a very twisted conflict of Light and Dark as Amdapor went into worshipping Sin Eaters carving golems in their image, as Mhach summoned Voidsents to inhabit their own bodies. But also does raise some questions! I'm very excited and hyped to see where this will all bring us hope the map splits of the First's not Eorzea and the new Ilsbard maps don't feel as disconnected as Stormblood stories.

But, if the Voidsent are the Thirteenth's residents becoming twisted... What are the Sin Eaters, where do they come from?! Doubt we will know that any soon.

[Kalise]

The question is: From where?

The Thirteenth fell to void no less than 6,000 years ago and, as a Dark-born void, still has voidsent lingering within it. Arbert taught us (and the devs confirmed) that a Light-born void leaves "blank perfection" in its wake, not Sin Eaters. Ergo, the only way we know of for Sin Eaters to appear (so far) is that a Flood of Light must be in progress. Neither Arbert nor Elidibus (nor anything else) suggested that a dimension other than the Thirteenth fell to a Flood until the First's situation arose.

I think this goes back to my question surrounding to what extent is "Over-Exposure to Light"?

Like, a flood of light being in progress is enough to cause sufficient exposure and does so on a large scale. But is there potential for more condensed exposure to happen for more isolated cases?

For example, if someone is trying to find a new potent healing spell - Such as one potent enough to raise the dead - Could they not incidentally expose themselves to high amounts of light and thus transform into a Sin Eater? Allowing their existence without there necessarily being a calamity-esk event.

This still needs a bit of tidying up. They say that auracite lead to monters, but they also said that the voidsent are the remnants of people and animals that were alive during the Flood of Darkness. Surely animals weren't wielding auracite. Perhaps the monsters died in the flood. Perhaps the monsters became the unique voidsent at the top of the hierarchy like Diabolos and Scathach.

Well, we know from Haukke Manor that Voidsent have the capacity to corrupt others (In hard mode the first few enemies include: The first enemy is a Wood Wailer whom is corrupted into Voidsent. The next 3 trash packs include Succubi that if not dealt with quickly enough, will convert a nearby Wood Wailer into a Voidsent)

So it's possible that the people whom were corrupted by the Auracite then in their more mindless Voidsent state would go around corrupting other people and animals (Since you have to assume that not all people where using Auracite just like animals wouldn't be). Sort of like the trope of Zombies going around infecting people to create more Zombies.

Though, it does raise some questions about how they go about corrupting someone. Like, do they just have an abundance of that corrupted Auracite? Can all Voidsent corrupt (We only see specifically Succubi doing it)? Are they merely channelling condensed Darkness into the host to corrupt them?

This also makes me curious about what would happen if a Voidsent tried to corrupt a Sin Eater? Can Sin Eaters corrupt people? Is there a way to cleanse Voidsent/Sin Eaters and bring them back to their original states?