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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalithar View Post
    Depends on the utility and damage of the dnc. Also, the chakrams appear to be slashing damage so assuming we keep weapon type debuffs in place this COULD result in some party changes. A brd or mch is basically tied to having drg to do full damage right? If dnc is slashing then it could actually be in a better position since it can have it's debuff provided by samurai, warrior, or ninja. It could potentially replace brd/mch in parties depending on what it's job specific utilities are and if role skills stay the same.
    But that tiniest of (im)balancing gimmicks isn't going to make up for a poor connection to job aesthetic. We have a quick, lithe, poised job that has traditionally been of hybrid range and capable of weaving through battles and instead we make sure it has no reason ever to dodge, does not weave through battles, and can instead simply turret from range however it likes...
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    Khalith Mateo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    But that tiniest of (im)balancing gimmicks isn't going to make up for a poor connection to job aesthetic. We have a quick, lithe, poised job that has traditionally been of hybrid range and capable of weaving through battles and instead we make sure it has no reason ever to dodge, does not weave through battles, and can instead simply turret from range however it likes...
    I do agree with you that putting it as a ranged physical dps was definitely an odd choice and probably the last thing I would have ever expected. But you know, now that you bring up the idea of weaving through battles, part of me was just thinking it's a shame they added the jump in, melee combo, and jump out thing to rdm. That would have been perfect for the dancer instead.

    But looking at it purely from a gameplay/numbers perspective, I still think it could potentially replace brd as the go to physical dps in a party comp. Bad aesthetics aside.
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    Karma Dunkelsonn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    But that tiniest of (im)balancing gimmicks isn't going to make up for a poor connection to job aesthetic. We have a quick, lithe, poised job that has traditionally been of hybrid range and capable of weaving through battles and instead we make sure it has no reason ever to dodge, does not weave through battles, and can instead simply turret from range however it likes...
    We've seen like three skills. They could give DNC the RDM treatment and give them skills that require them to temporarily step into melee range.
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    But that tiniest of (im)balancing gimmicks isn't going to make up for a poor connection to job aesthetic. We have a quick, lithe, poised job that has traditionally been of hybrid range and capable of weaving through battles and instead we make sure it has no reason ever to dodge, does not weave through battles, and can instead simply turret from range however it likes...
    They were proficient in throwing weapons in XI. Hell, their artifact was a chakram.

    Anyway, there are two ranged DPS to three healers, arguably one unless you're one of the two dozen people that plays MCH. I'm fine with the role getting another option.
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    GEO is still very much on the table.
    They went out of their way to not mention healers even once so I have a feeling we'll get a little surprise on that front. Either when they give us more details on the battle system revamp or as a mid-expansion job like ROG.
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    Allicia Capulet
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    Annnnnd Live letter done, no news or not a single word for healer again. Feels so great to be totally ignored. At least, they could give us an explanation, or tell us that they did not forget us and to be patient. Instead of that, no, nothing.
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    N'yuuki Nekohmi
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    Annnnnd Live letter done, no news or not a single word for healer again. Feels so great to be totally ignored. At least, they could give us an explanation, or tell us that they did not forget us and to be patient. Instead of that, no, nothing.
    Right? Not a single "We're sorry, we're still working on balance" or anything. Literally just 30 minutes of silly movie promo that has nothing to do with game content and not a single nod to all the disheartened healers.
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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    Annnnnd Live letter done, no news or not a single word for healer again. Feels so great to be totally ignored. At least, they could give us an explanation, or tell us that they did not forget us and to be patient. Instead of that, no, nothing.
    https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201903240006/

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    ―― Since the "Gunbreaker", which is a tank, was announced first, I think there are also many who think that it is a healer next. Please let me know the reason you decided to use the dancer as Range DPS.

    Yoshida: It was early decided to add a new job to the tank. I thought that the odd number of jobs for the role of MT and ST was a bad balance. By adding a distinctive weapon in the "Final Fantasy" series, it is easy to appeal to people who have not moved their tentacles to the online "Final Fantasy" until now. And when I thought about where I was going to roll another one, it was the range DPS which was simply only two frames in the candidate until the end.

    As for Healer 3 jobs, where I have a hard time balancing, I would like to focus on balancing 3 jobs in 5.0, rather than adding jobs.
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    Last edited by Enla; 03-24-2019 at 11:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    https://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201903240006/

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    At the very least, he could have said something in the keynote yesterday, like "For every healers, sorry, it won't be this expansion. I'm sorry, I said last year that we will balance tank/healer, obviously I didn't do my job and need another 2 years, sorry for that." That would have been clear and better, than just answering on a secondary website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    At the very least, he could have said something in the keynote yesterday, like "For every healers, sorry, it won't be this expansion. I'm sorry, I said last year that we will balance tank/healer, obviously I didn't do my job and need another 2 years, sorry for that." That would have been clear and better, than just answering on a secondary website.
    I definitely agree this should have been addressed during fanfest. However since he did address it and people were worried he hadn't I felt it prudent to post about since it likely won't be addressed at all for the rest of the event at this rate.
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